Farewell Jesse Hogan

[Ouch! 2,269]

4 minutes ago, drdrake said:

Peter Bell is a very smart man, he knows that he has to look like taken the hard line approach but also knows he can't walk away from this trade week with just Lobb, he wants Lobb and Hogan to show the Footy world how good he is.  His Ego will play into our hands at some stage, he wants two prized recruits to create some hype around the Dockers for 2019

Don't disagree, but I would argue that he is coming in armed with very little information, and as you indicate a fairly large ego. Coming out and saying it would be a 'feather in his cap' to turn the exit of Neale around.... ?? Really?

I think more damage was done prior to Bell's appointment with Rosich effectively rubber stamping a few odd list decisions that now Bell is trying to unpick. 

Edited October 12, 2018 by Ouch!

[Dr.D 1,771]

I'd love to sign Jesse to another 1 year extension and tell freo that we will continue to do this until you cough up what he is worth

[olisik 4,060]

5 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

I'd love to sign Jesse to another 1 year extension and tell freo that we will continue to do this until you cough up what he is worth

1 year extention will backfire as it would take him through to FA status in 2020

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1 minute ago, olisik said:

1 year extention will backfire as it would take him through to FA status in 2020

... read the post again, and maybe turn on your sense of humour this time!

[drdrake 3,203]

3 minutes ago, olisik said:

1 year extention will backfire as it would take him through to FA status in 2020

Deal with that after we have 2 flags in the bank and we all couldn't care if he goes for pick 100

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,477]

3 hours ago, Fifty-5 said:

Well they only had 6 and 81 and want Lobb and Hogan so that's a problem. So they did a deal for a bunch of picks including 11 and 23 with Port who want an early pick to get access to the highly rated SA players in the draft.

 

1 hour ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

So they could low ball the Hogan trade with '...sorry, we don't have a top 10 pick...' and if we agree to their low ball trade or variation thereof, 5 minutes later turn around and accept pick 5 for Neale and keep it for themselves.

...and they traded out next year's 3rd round pick so they can say '...sorry, the rules forbid trading out a future 1st round pick and a later future pick...' and be unwilling to use the tools available that might get the future 1st round pick back into play.

They are playing dirty pool!

Thank you both for your replies.

I would of thought if they traded Neale for 5, then 5 and next years first round for Hogan, then 6 for Lobb and a GWS pick of some description this whole this would be done. It’s almost like they’ve stuffed themselves for both trades now. 

 Note : I’ve been with no reception since this morning so just catching up with the latest.

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

There is method to Bell’s seeming madness. His endgame as drdrake mentioned a few posts back us to get both Hogan and Lobb in the door. Freo have close to the worst forward set up in the competition at present and these two coming in will get the Freo fans very excited. This is the real “feather in cap” Bell wants to exit trade week with, not Lachie Neale. The tough talk about keeping Neale is just bluster. 

The lowball pick 11 and 23 offer for Hogan may have seemed pointless but the tactic there is to frustrate Melbourne and also waste our time, with the aim of softening us up to accept pick 5 & 23 at the death in the final day of trade week. Bell knows we would MUCH prefer picks 5 & 11 for Hogan but he needs to retain pick 11 to secure Lobb from GWS. So he is banking on us growing impatient, getting worried by Wednesday that the whole thing is going to fall through, and just signing off on the 5 & 23 deal. 

As soon as the Neale domino falls Mahoney is going to be faced with a reasonably hard call to make. Accept 5 & 23 for Hogan or reject it and make Jesse play out the final year of his contract. Not sure what I would do personally, it’s a tough one. 

Bell is banking on us tiring of the whole Hogan saga and just being happy to move on, get our man May in with pick 5 going out to Gold Coast, and sucking up the fact that we’ve received unders for a forward we - to be honest - haven’t made a huge effort to retain.

Pugnacious, annoying little [censored] Peter Bell. But he’s no dill.

On the other hand we could completely ruin his life by holding on to Hogan and giving Simmo a call over at the Eagles about a deal for Jesse next year! But would that be in our interests? They will probably have a lot less to offer us than pick 5 & 23. 

I think Freo might have us snookered here.

[Willmoy1947 4,204]

8 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

There is method to Bell’s seeming madness. His endgame as drdrake mentioned a few posts back us to get both Hogan and Lobb in the door. Freo have close to the worst forward set up in the competition at present and these two coming in will get the Freo fans very excited. This is the real “feather in cap” Bell wants to exit trade week with, not Lachie Neale. The tough talk about keeping Neale is just bluster. 

The lowball pick 11 and 23 offer for Hogan may have seemed pointless but the tactic there is to frustrate Melbourne and also waste our time, with the aim of softening us up to accept pick 5 & 23 at the death in the final day of trade week. Bell knows we would MUCH prefer picks 5 & 11 for Hogan but he needs to retain pick 11 to secure Lobb from GWS. So he is banking on us growing impatient, getting worried by Wednesday that the whole thing is going to fall through, and just signing off on the 5 & 23 deal. 

As soon as the Neale domino falls Mahoney is going to be faced with a reasonably hard call to make. Accept 5 & 23 for Hogan or reject it and make Jesse play out the final year of his contract. Not sure what I would do personally, it’s a tough one. 

Bell is banking on us tiring of the whole Hogan saga and just being happy to move on, get our man May in with pick 5 going out to Gold Coast, and sucking up the fact that we’ve received unders for a forward we - to be honest - haven’t made a huge effort to retain.

Pugnacious, annoying little [censored] Peter Bell. But he’s no dill.

On the other hand we could completely ruin his life by holding on to Hogan and giving Simmo a call over at the Eagles about a deal for Jesse next year! But would that be in our interests? They will probably have a lot less to offer us than pick 5 & 23. 

I think Freo might have us snookered here.

Unless, there is another club plan B, or one of their good players, ie (B) indicates a change of scenery.......

[McQueen 17,867]

10 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

There is method to Bell’s seeming madness. His endgame as drdrake mentioned a few posts back us to get both Hogan and Lobb in the door. Freo have close to the worst forward set up in the competition at present and these two coming in will get the Freo fans very excited. This is the real “feather in cap” Bell wants to exit trade week with, not Lachie Neale. The tough talk about keeping Neale is just bluster. 

The lowball pick 11 and 23 offer for Hogan may have seemed pointless but the tactic there is to frustrate Melbourne and also waste our time, with the aim of softening us up to accept pick 5 & 23 at the death in the final day of trade week. Bell knows we would MUCH prefer picks 5 & 11 for Hogan but he needs to retain pick 11 to secure Lobb from GWS. So he is banking on us growing impatient, getting worried by Wednesday that the whole thing is going to fall through, and just signing off on the 5 & 23 deal. 

As soon as the Neale domino falls Mahoney is going to be faced with a reasonably hard call to make. Accept 5 & 23 for Hogan or reject it and make Jesse play out the final year of his contract. Not sure what I would do personally, it’s a tough one. 

Bell is banking on us tiring of the whole Hogan saga and just being happy to move on, get our man May in with pick 5 going out to Gold Coast, and sucking up the fact that we’ve received unders for a forward we - to be honest - haven’t made a huge effort to retain.

Pugnacious, annoying little [censored] Peter Bell. But he’s no dill.

On the other hand we could completely ruin his life by holding on to Hogan and giving Simmo a call over at the Eagles about a deal for Jesse next year! But would that be in our interests? They will probably have a lot less to offer us than pick 5 & 23. 

I think Freo might have us snookered here.

I can’t see Lobb being worth pick 11 to be fair. 

[John Demonic 5,906]

Just to add a post from the rumour file in regards to jayden hunt in brisbane (probably [censored]) - was thinking earlier about sending something to Brisbane to get the Neale trade done for overs.

MFC In: Bris pick 5, Bris 2019 1st round Pick./  Out: Hogan, 2nd or 3rd round pick*
Freo In: Hogan, Lobb. / Out: Neale, Pick 11
Bris In: Neale, Hunt. MFC 2nd or 3rd round pick / Out Pick 5, 2019 first round pick
GWS In Pick 11. / Out Lobb

Edit: Might seem like overs, but Freo want more for Neale than Bris have. They want 5+15, not 5+23. Bris now give overs for Neale but get back a player and pick

 

Edited October 12, 2018 by johndemonic

[GCDee 3,200]

1 minute ago, johndemonic said:

Just to add a post from the rumour file in regards to jayden hunt in brisbane (probably [censored]) - was thinking earlier about sending something to Brisbane to get the Neale trade done for overs.

MFC In: Bris pick 5, 2019 1st round Pick. Out: Hogan
Freo In: Hogan, Lobb. Out: Neale, Pick 11
Bris In: Neale, Hunt. Out Pick 5, 2019 first round pick
GWS In Pick 11. Out Lobb

--

 

What a deal for the dockers... 

I think we need a second coming from freo to us.

[Dr.D 1,771]

3 minutes ago, willmoy said:

Unless, there is another club plan B, or one of their good players, ie (B) indicates a change of scenery.......

Good post. I think you may be right but I think Mahoney wouldn't settle for pick 5 and 23. I think if its not 2 first rounders then Mahoney would ask for another pick in the 30s to make up for the imbalance. So hogan for 5,23 and 30-something. 

[deebug 1,754]

We might just have to offer another player to get the deal done

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

2 minutes ago, willmoy said:

Unless, there is another club plan B, or one of their good players, ie (B) indicates a change of scenery.......

Jesse wants to return home to WA. Rumours of “another club” are very flimsy at this stage.

2 minutes ago, McQueen said:

I can’t see Lobb being worth pick 11 to be fair. 

He is worth close to it. Pick 23 would not get Lobb done for them.

[Sir Why You Little 37,313]

3 hours ago, Deemania since 56 said:

He has done everything possible to extend his 'value' mythology in cruise control about his commitment to the MFC. In some ways, it appears that Hogan is the greatest obstacle to team cohesion and its ultimate success for which we are striving in the upcoming pre-season preparation and - if he stays - 2019. It appears that if we make the deepest end of the finals or greater he then reluctantly would have stayed - earning hundreds of thousands of dollars for the sacrifice - but is under no illusion indicating that he'd prefer to be elsewhere in the mean time. A fair day's pay for a fair day's work is not in his mantra.

Wow. Big statement there...

[Lucifers Hero 40,524]

21 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

There is method to Bell’s seeming madness. His endgame as drdrake mentioned a few posts back us to get both Hogan and Lobb in the door. Freo have close to the worst forward set up in the competition at present and these two coming in will get the Freo fans very excited. This is the real “feather in cap” Bell wants to exit trade week with, not Lachie Neale. The tough talk about keeping Neale is just bluster. 

The lowball pick 11 and 23 offer for Hogan may have seemed pointless but the tactic there is to frustrate Melbourne and also waste our time, with the aim of softening us up to accept pick 5 & 23 at the death in the final day of trade week. Bell knows we would MUCH prefer picks 5 & 11 for Hogan but he needs to retain pick 11 to secure Lobb from GWS. So he is banking on us growing impatient, getting worried by Wednesday that the whole thing is going to fall through, and just signing off on the 5 & 23 deal. 

As soon as the Neale domino falls Mahoney is going to be faced with a reasonably hard call to make. Accept 5 & 23 for Hogan or reject it and make Jesse play out the final year of his contract. Not sure what I would do personally, it’s a tough one. 

Bell is banking on us tiring of the whole Hogan saga and just being happy to move on, get our man May in with pick 5 going out to Gold Coast, and sucking up the fact that we’ve received unders for a forward we - to be honest - haven’t made a huge effort to retain.

Pugnacious, annoying little [censored] Peter Bell. But he’s no dill.

On the other hand we could completely ruin his life by holding on to Hogan and giving Simmo a call over at the Eagles about a deal for Jesse next year! But would that be in our interests? They will probably have a lot less to offer us than pick 5 & 23. 

I think Freo might have us snookered here.

They could just as easily be pains in the butt to GWS and offer pick 23 for Lobb.  

11 is overs for Lobb especially as GWS have said they are looking for a mid - teen pick and are desperate to dump salary.  Sydney gave away Hannebery for peanuts (#39 +/-) for similar reason.  I reckon 23 + sweeteners, will get Lobb done with GWS.

But Bell seems to on an ego trip and will get more local kudos if he lands a 'big fish' (Hogan) cheaply than Lobb cheaply.  So he toys with us.

I don't trust Freo.  I hope that Freo have snookered themselves.  Jesse is a contracted player so he stays. 

Edited October 12, 2018 by Lucifer's Hero

[John Demonic 5,906]

4 minutes ago, GCDee said:

What a deal for the dockers... 

I think we need a second coming from freo to us.

I'm thinking Brisbane are on the losing end of the stick, so i edited in our 2nd round pick of 38*? to them 

Getting pick 5 + potentially pick 5-8 next year and losing Hogan, 38 and Hunt seems about right.

Not too sure about Freo really. They get Hogan and Lobbe. Success.

Edited October 12, 2018 by johndemonic

[deebug 1,754]

Well it looks like Jesse stays at the dee's for another year and no May. Thanks Bell!

[djr 1,605]

15 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

There is method to Bell’s seeming madness. His endgame as drdrake mentioned a few posts back us to get both Hogan and Lobb in the door. Freo have close to the worst forward set up in the competition at present and these two coming in will get the Freo fans very excited. This is the real “feather in cap” Bell wants to exit trade week with, not Lachie Neale. The tough talk about keeping Neale is just bluster. 

The lowball pick 11 and 23 offer for Hogan may have seemed pointless but the tactic there is to frustrate Melbourne and also waste our time, with the aim of softening us up to accept pick 5 & 23 at the death in the final day of trade week. Bell knows we would MUCH prefer picks 5 & 11 for Hogan but he needs to retain pick 11 to secure Lobb from GWS. So he is banking on us growing impatient, getting worried by Wednesday that the whole thing is going to fall through, and just signing off on the 5 & 23 deal. 

As soon as the Neale domino falls Mahoney is going to be faced with a reasonably hard call to make. Accept 5 & 23 for Hogan or reject it and make Jesse play out the final year of his contract. Not sure what I would do personally, it’s a tough one. 

Bell is banking on us tiring of the whole Hogan saga and just being happy to move on, get our man May in with pick 5 going out to Gold Coast, and sucking up the fact that we’ve received unders for a forward we - to be honest - haven’t made a huge effort to retain.

Pugnacious, annoying little [censored] Peter Bell. But he’s no dill.

On the other hand we could completely ruin his life by holding on to Hogan and giving Simmo a call over at the Eagles about a deal for Jesse next year! But would that be in our interests? They will probably have a lot less to offer us than pick 5 & 23. 

I think Freo might have us snookered here.

We could convert pick 5 into 8 and 13 from Adelaide and trade pick 8 to GC. It places Adelaide ahead of PA at pick 6

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

1 minute ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

They could just as easily be pains in the butt to GWS and offer pick 23 for Lobb.  

11 is overs for Lobb especially as GWS have said they are looking for a mid - teen pick and are desperate to dump salary.  Sydney gave away Hannebery for peanuts for similar reason.  I reckon 23 + sweeteners, will get Lobb done with GWS . 

But Bell seems to on an ego trip and will get more local kudos if he lands a 'big fish' (Hogan) cheaply than Lobb cheaply.  So he toys with us.

I don't trust Freo.  I hope that Freo have snookered themselves.  Jesse is a contracted player so he stays. 

Perhaps this is why Bell is holding out for more from Brisbane for Neale. He thinks he can get Lobb and Hogan in AND hold on to pick 11. 

That would be a huge win for them. 

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

Just now, djr said:

We could convert pick 5 into 8 and 13 from Adelaide and trade pick 8 to GC. It places Adelaide ahead of PA at pick 6

5 does not get Adelaide Lukosius or Rankine. Doubt they’d do it.

[DubDee 26,318]

JM and MFC should have no issue with keeping hogan for next year. His value will go up as I’d expect him to play a full season and kick 60+ goals. Hogan is a professional and us exploring options which is within his rights to do

[hells bells 2,023]

If it all goes pear shaped and the deal doesn’t get done, i’d seriously have Jesse training with the backline over summer with the look for him to playing FB or CHB.  

May is a free agent next year look to get him then.  

[drdrake 3,203]

I think 5 and 23 plus swap next years first round pick gets this deal done.

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

If the deal doesn't get done, Bell gets to say "hey guys, we had a once in a generation chance to snaffle a desperately needed key forward, but I let it slip through my fingers because I acted like a [censored]. Can I still get the applause though?"

Whereas we get to play this same forward in our side.

Bell will come to the table when this possibility is staring him in the face as a reality.