Farewell Jesse Hogan

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Club would know by now. If he's staying we'll know soon. If leaving they will work a deal with Freo before announcing anything. Freo don't have the currency to do a deal yet. They have to do Neale trade 1st then maybe pick swaps with Port before we even start negotiating. If he's leaving trade won't get done today.

Edited October 8, 2018 by deeology
Was troubling man dee

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35 minutes ago, buck_nekkid said:

I if Hogan goes as a RFA in a few years and we are on par with this year, then we get about pick 16-20 as compo, but an additional years service.  If we trade him out this year, we can do better than that (1 or more top 10 picks?).  I suggest we were into May as a free agent option, but GCS see the benefit in the trade 1 year early.  GCS could get better compo if they see themselves being a basket case again next year.

it means clubs have to demand the contracts are longer term from this point, or decide if 12 months service is worth the drop in value at the trade table.  Players have to make this call, then the clubs can act in their best interests.

over to you, Jesse.  Either way, sign or go, next move is yours.  The sooner the better, BTW.

Hogan has been given a whole territory of untold sky in which to make up his mind or to have that expressed by his manager. The MFC has been very fair - and all parties are aware of the deals to be done, the synergies to be made and the acquisitions/losses to still hang in the balance or end in resolution - for both Freo, GCS and the MFC; this apparent grandstanding is beginning to sour and the compromise rests assuredly on shoulders still awaiting perceived glory, not from onfield performances in a very well coached team but from the fluctuation of speculations on self-values and alleged worth. It is coming at the expense of other committed players and officials, his 'mates', and loyal spectators and supporters from all involved teams.  Get on with it, Jesse - tolerance is not for testing.

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Yikes, so many pages? Not sure what I've missed but reading the last few, it doesn't seem much.

I think it's pretty simple. We need to trade Hogan. It's about getting the best deal for the club so that we don't get shafted as we always do when guys go out of contract, like Jeff Farmer.

Problem is Freo isn't going to offer too much in return. We have to use our head here and know that if Jesse doesn't extend his contract, we're going to get very little this time next year. 

Best outcome is to trade now. I know it's hard to accept that given how much we love Jesse.

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He is = he's - he's going to Fremantle   (a contraction) 

His is possessive - His head is too big   (possessive adjective)

Edited October 8, 2018 by ManDee
Edit - please try it is not that hard - you know who you are.

[daisycutter 29,436]

i'm, just posting to make the observation that nothing has happened in the last 5 minutes re jesse

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Just now, daisycutter said:

i'm, just posting to make the observation that nothing has happened in the last 5 minutes re jesse

Since your post, I'm posting to make the observation nothing has happened in the last 1 minutes re jesse

[SFebes 4,868]

Seems to me this trade period is going to be a fizzer. Too many clubs have to do the first deal for the rest of the clubs dominoes to fall. Too much water to go under the bridge. Neale, Lobb, May, Hogan, Wingard etc need one to drop before the rest take shape. First day of trade period and everyone sounds like they're still deciding.

[ManDee 7,124]

SNAFU

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3 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

i'm, just posting to make the observation that nothing has happened in the last 5 minutes re jesse

I think he when for a pee.

[daisycutter 29,436]

1 minute ago, Dirts said:

I think he when for a pee.

and/or a dart

[Demonland 70,525]

Until the Lachie Neale deal is done I don't expect we'll hear any news regarding Jesse Hogan.

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4 minutes ago, SFebes said:

Seems to me this trade period is going to be a fizzer. Too many clubs have to do the first deal for the rest of the clubs dominoes to fall. Too much water to go under the bridge. Neale, Lobb, May, Hogan, Wingard etc need one to drop before the rest take shape. First day of trade period and everyone sounds like they're still deciding.

I am more than happy if he stays. It was only the eagles game that caught us out as such. 

Get oscar on the whey powder and beef up a bit. 

We need to move up in the draft but need to be cautious how we do it. Get JH to sign till 2021 and all is good.

Edited October 8, 2018 by Dirts

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6 minutes ago, Demonland said:

Until the Lachie Neale deal is done I don't expect we'll hear any news regarding Jesse Hogan.

Just lots and lots of page views!!  

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14 minutes ago, Dirts said:

I am more than happy if he stays. It was only the eagles game that caught us out as such. 

Get oscar on the whey powder and beef up a bit. 

We need to move up in the draft but need to be cautious how we do it. Get JH to sign till 2021 and all is good.

That's probably the worst outcome unfortunately. That would take him into Free Agent status, we would get a singular draft pick if he was to leave at that stage. The best outcome now is a long term contract signed for 5 years or a trade.

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13 minutes ago, Bonkers said:

That's probably the worst outcome unfortunately. That would take him into Free Agent status, we would get a singular draft pick if he was to leave at that stage. The best outcome now is a long term contract signed for 5 years or a trade.

JH does not become a RFA until the end of the 2020 season. We can still trade next year if he does not re-sign.

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12 minutes ago, Bonkers said:

That's probably the worst outcome unfortunately. That would take him into Free Agent status, we would get a singular draft pick if he was to leave at that stage. The best outcome now is a long term contract signed for 5 years or a trade.

the elephant in this ever decreasing room is of course Weideman.

Can you play all three plus perhaps Preuss. Of course you can and it may work but what if it doesn't.

In a way the decision is easy... at one early pick the answer is no and at two the answer is yes.

Of course in the real world the hard decisions come with say one early pick and a late first or a first from next year etc etc.

Meanwhile like watching paint dry we await the progress of this riveting saga. The fact that we had this will he won't he once before with Hogan tends to distract somewhat from the drama.

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2 minutes ago, Grand New Flag said:

JH does not become a RFA until the end of the 2020 season. We can still trade next year if he does not re-sign.

The poster discussed Jesse signing on again until 2021. Yes we can trade him next year as well. If we were to extend his contract to 2021 that would be a bad outcome IMO.

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,390]

If it has taken this long for any sort of announcement from the club, Hogan or his management, it tells me that neither player, nor club is chomping at the bit for this trade to happen.  They might be 'OK' with it, but there certainly isn't any urgency.

- Encourage May to stay at GCS - we have nothing to trade and we will take him next year as a FA.  If he can't wait, he can't wait.

- Hogan to honour his contract - another year at the MFC where he gets to experience some success and watch on as Freo, without Neale, crash and burn.

- Trial Jesse at CHB over the preseason and into the start of the regular season.  He will add some defensive skills and versatility to his game and may provide us with a powerful, big bodied, contested marker on the back half.  Weideman and McDonald can develop a partnership and prepare for the possibility of Hogan leaving.

- If, after some success and another year away from home, he still wants to return, this may open up WCE as a genuine competitor for his signature.  If not, then Freo will still have a very decent pick to offer as their list is in big, big trouble.

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3 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

the elephant in this ever decreasing room is of course Weideman.

Can you play all three plus perhaps Preuss. Of course you can and it may work but what if it doesn't.

In a way the decision is easy... at one early pick the answer is no and at two the answer is yes.

Of course in the real world the hard decisions come with say one early pick and a late first or a first from next year etc etc.

Meanwhile like watching paint dry we await the progress of this riveting saga. The fact that we had this will he won't he once before with Hogan tends to distract somewhat from the drama.

6 - 6 - 6 coming in next year = tall forward lines super valuable, as there will be no spare defender to counter quick centre clearances (our midfield will get plenty). Plus Hogan, and TMac are aerobic beasts, we would defs make it work. Preuss is the one who would miss out on games.

I say if we have a sniff at keeping him we wrap our arms around him, even if its just for another year, he can get us a flag.

Edited October 8, 2018 by Lord Neville X Flash

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Just now, Bonkers said:

The poster discussed Jesse signing on again until 2021. Yes we can trade him next year as well. If we were to extend his contract to 2021 that would be a bad outcome IMO.

Though by then Jesse would have been a decent part of likely multiple cracks at a flag and he may decide to stick around. 

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Yes...but the 3rd tall might be a resting ruckman !!

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2 hours ago, Tough Kent said:

 

 

2 hours ago, Tough Kent said:

 

LOL.

Methinks someone from the Purple Haze has been feeding a media troll in preparation for a lowball offer!

Sit tight folks, this one’s going to drag out for a bit. Patience.

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Just now, Patches O’houlihan said:

Though by then Jesse would have been a decent part of likely multiple cracks at a flag and he may decide to stick around. 

Yes everything is possible and that may be the case, personally I wouldn't take the risk. A bird in the hand and all that.

[Lord Neville X Flash 252]

2 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

 

- Trial Jesse at CHB over the preseason and into the start of the regular season.  He will add some defensive skills and versatility to his game and may provide us with a powerful, big bodied, contested marker on the back half.  Weideman and McDonald can develop a partnership and prepare for the possibility of Hogan leaving.

 

Hogan a likely multiple coleman medallist, no chance he goes back