Training in September? What is this witchcraft?

I look forward to any in depth reports from intrepid Demonlanders.

 

Interestingly, Ben Guthrie’s opinion is we will bring in an extra defender in J Smith and JKH the unlucky one to miss. 

Edited September 4, 20186 yr by Dee Zephyr

  On 04/09/2018 at 00:27, Dee Zephyr said:

Interestingly, Ben Guthrie believes we will bring in an extra defender in J Smith and JKH the unlucky one to miss. 

I wouldn't mind that, as it would allow us to release Fritsch to the wing and forward where he is very dangerous.

  On 04/09/2018 at 00:30, Is Dom Is Good said:

I wouldn't mind that, as it would allow us to release Fritsch to the wing and forward where he is very dangerous.

Nice to have options at this time of the year. If they do bring in Smith to allow Fritsch up the ground can you see Hannan getting selected also?

  On 04/09/2018 at 00:34, Dee Zephyr said:

Nice to have options at this time of the year. If they do bring in Smith to allow Fritsch up the ground can you see Hannan getting selected also?

Assuming Tyson is passed fit to play, then you'd kinda think it might be a choice between Hannan & Spargo...

  On 04/09/2018 at 00:37, Vagg said:

Assuming Tyson is passed fit to play, then you'd kinda think it might be a choice between Hannan & Spargo...

You would like to think we would make minimal changes.  I think we won't make anymore than 2 to keep the side as stable as possible.  I feel as though the FD rate Hannan and will want to get him in the side, so with Viney also coming back, it makes selection difficult.  Are Spargo and JKH the unlucky ones?  If Tyson trains well today then you would expect him to play as well.

While it will be harsh on a couple of players it's great to have these problems at this time of the year!

I think Joel Smith's only hope is if Tyson doesn't play.  If Tyson plays then JKH will be dropped. They won't drop anyone else

Having smith in allows hibberd to play an intercept role again. 

I wouldn't mind viney, Smith & hannan in for kent, spargo (admitted himself he is buggered) and JKH.

  On 04/09/2018 at 00:40, Wiseblood said:

You would like to think we would make minimal changes.  I think we won't make anymore than 2 to keep the side as stable as possible.  I feel as though the FD rate Hannan and will want to get him in the side, so with Viney also coming back, it makes selection difficult.  Are Spargo and JKH the unlucky ones?  If Tyson trains well today then you would expect him to play as well.

While it will be harsh on a couple of players it's great to have these problems at this time of the year!

I watched Spargo's interview with the Burgatron yesterday and I think he gave it away that he's already been told he'll remain in the 22. He corrected himself with "if I'm lucky enough to" or similar to make the 22.

Am I reading that right?

  On 04/09/2018 at 00:55, DemonLad5 said:

I think Joel Smith's only hope is if Tyson doesn't play.  If Tyson plays then JKH will be dropped. They won't drop anyone else

If Tyson plays then kent is the only injury. Viney comes in for kent. they won't need to drop anyone for Tyson.

But as i've noted elsewhere my strong suspicion is that they will select Hannan, mots likely at the expense of JKH (who would be very unlucky).

Smith would be a curve ball. They would have to drop someone else and the only person at risk of being dropped is Spartacus, i would have thought.

But do they want to make 3 changes to aside that played so well?

  On 04/09/2018 at 01:08, binman said:

If Tyson plays then kent is the only injury. Viney comes in for kent. they won't need to drop anyone for Tyson.

But as i've noted elsewhere my strong suspicion is that they will select Hannan, mots likely at the expense of JKH (who would be very unlucky).

Smith would be a curve ball. They would have to drop someone else and the only person at risk of being dropped is Spartacus, i would have thought.

But do they want to make 3 changes to aside that played so well?

Been thinking about this binman. 3 changes is a lot, but if it was Lever, Hogan and Viney we wouldn’t be batting an eye lid over it and I think we need to see the same with Smith. He was best 22 for most of this year and even last year they saw him as best 22 (until injury struck in round 1). So I feel if he is fit they want him in the side. 

In my mind, JKH and Kent are out. Viney is in, and then it’s a question of Hannan or Smith. Does Fritch offer more than Hannan in the forward line? Does Smith offer more in the backline than Fritch? Great conversations we are having now rather than who do we bring in to replace yeh rabble we have playing. 

  On 04/09/2018 at 01:08, binman said:

If Tyson plays then kent is the only injury. Viney comes in for kent. they won't need to drop anyone for Tyson.

But as i've noted elsewhere my strong suspicion is that they will select Hannan, mots likely at the expense of JKH (who would be very unlucky).

Smith would be a curve ball. They would have to drop someone else and the only person at risk of being dropped is Spartacus, i would have thought.

But do they want to make 3 changes to aside that played so well?

Not Spartacus... please Pompeii ... remember what Ptolemy did to you!

  On 04/09/2018 at 00:59, GCDee said:

Having smith in allows hibberd to play an intercept role again. 

I wouldn't mind viney, Smith & hannan in for kent, spargo (admitted himself he is buggered) and JKH.

I think there is zero chance Spargo will be dropped. He had a cracker against GWS and the bye week has freshened him up (admitted himself he is fresh and ready to go).

Add a slight aside, how fortunate are we that he slid in the draft to a pick in the 30s. Was touted as top 10 pick before the AFL removed his zone from GWS' grasp.

If Tyson does get up, it will be Viney and Hannan in for Kent and probably JKH, though I thought JKH did ok last week. Hopefully drives him to get back in the side.

Good problem to have.

Edited September 4, 20186 yr by Moonshadow

Yep, 

all good problems!

  On 04/09/2018 at 01:21, Dee-licious said:

Viney is in, and then it’s a question of Hannan or Smith. Does Fritch offer more than Hannan in the forward line? Does Smith offer more in the backline than Fritch? Great conversations we are having now rather than who do we bring in to replace yeh rabble we have playing. 

Tremendous question. My thoughts are that Fritsch needs to be fwd and Hannan as well; Fritsch to the bench for rotations fwd. Hannan in selected 18. Spargo has to be the unlucky one at this point. 

  On 04/09/2018 at 01:27, Moonshadow said:

I think there is zero chance Spargo will be dropped. He had a cracker against GWS and the bye week has freshened him up (admitted himself he is fresh and ready to go).

Add a slight aside, how fortunate are we that he slid in the draft to a pick in the 30s. Was touted as top 10 pick before the AFL removed his zone from GWS' grasp.

If Tyson doesn't get up, it will be Viney and Hannan in for Kent and probably JKH, though I thought JKH did ok last week. Hopefully drives him to get back in the side.

Good problem to have.

I can't see any other changes than Viney and Hannan in for Kent and JKH.  Viney picks himself if fit, and Hannan has shown he just kicks goals, even with a low possession count.

It will likely sound unfair, but I think he is a safer pick in a final than JKH.

I'd be very hesitant bringing Smith back in, but the FD see more in him than I do.  I just don't see what match-up he needs to be rushed in for, unless he can go with Dorkins when the Dork goes up the ground.

 

  On 04/09/2018 at 00:30, Is Dom Is Good said:

I wouldn't mind that, as it would allow us to release Fritsch to the wing and forward where he is very dangerous.

Agree, Fritsch in the forward half would mean he doesn't have to play the Hawkins punching bag role.

The problem with playing either or both of Smith and Tyson is the Cats are professionals at gaining any advantage they can, legally or otherwise, and this includes sniping. They'll go after whoever they believe to be our most influential players, but also whoever they think is an easy target. Think back and names like Jetta, Gawn (influential) and Fritsch (young target) come to mind, only in recent times.

Smith's shoulder will be a target, as will Tyson's arm, I guarantee they've already discussed it, in fact they've probably spoken about Viney's foot, but decided the consequences just aren't worth it.

  On 04/09/2018 at 01:08, binman said:

 the only person at risk of being dropped is Spartacus, i would have thought.

At training.

Goodwin: so unfortunately we're dropping Spartacus this week. Can you stand up please Spartacus?

Spargo: *goes to stand up*

Lewis: I'm Spartacus! *stands up*

Jones: I'm Spartacus! *stands up*

TMac: I'm Spartacus! *stands up*

(etc)

Now that's esprit de corps!

I'm Spartacus

I think we'll blow them off the park, unless ... and it's likely they'll try this ... they pull some unorthodox coaching moves and we can't deal with it and go to water.

It's as much a test for our game day coaches as it is our players.

Is there room to play both Tyson & Viney?

Reading Spagos interview it sounds like he is tired and running on adrenaline, we can't have this going into a final. We need players who have the energy to kick further then 30m.

JKH is an interesting one. Dunno what to do with him. I think he may be omitted.

Hannan has to come in and so does Smith to free Fritsch up forward/wing.

 

  On 04/09/2018 at 01:47, Mazer Rackham said:

At training.

Goodwin: so unfortunately we're dropping Spartacus this week. Can you stand up please Spartacus?

Spargo: *goes to stand up*

Lewis: I'm Spartacus! *stands up*

Jones: I'm Spartacus! *stands up*

TMac: I'm Spartacus! *stands up*

(etc)

Now that's esprit de corps!

I'm Spartacus

I'm Brian. And so's my wife (the opposite to espirt de corps)

 

Viney for Kent a given

Interesting on the JKH or Spargo question... For Hannan. If Spargo is (or was) cooked, then I think he is a big risk at being the second out - leaving JKH in.

Looking at the stats of the last 4 weeks. (JKH missed the WCE game, and Spargo played all 4). JKH average stats are clearly better than Spargo in Disposals / Tackles / Pressure Acts. And Spargo only managed goals against Gold Coast. I don't think it's clear cut that Spargo retains his spot.

Interesting from Jones above - Is Tyson / Viney both in upsetting the midfield balance? Perhaps Tyson rested makes way for Hannan

As for Smith - it would be a big call to drop a forward / small to include a tall / back - I don't see who we drop for Smith

 

  On 04/09/2018 at 01:55, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

Viney for Kent a given

 

 

I agree but who kicks the 2-3 goals that we would have hoped Kent would kick...

I think that is why Hannan comes in the place of JKH or as some suggest... bring in J Smith and allow Fritsch to roam forward. Either way it's most likely JKH out... but then again I think most of us have been wrong when it comes to selections this year ?

Spargo, Hannan, Smith, JKH, Viney   all did the full session this morning

Lewis did the full session also