POSTMATCH DISCUSSION - Round 18

[The Swimming Dee 1,904]

Just now, timbo said:

Trade hogan

trac revelatory lift

Wow you make some rubbish calls

[kev martin 9,859]

Melbourne as usual.

I've grown up expecting and having this kind of journey. So I can enjoy this emotion. Feeling numb, a bit dizzy, frustrated and some pain. It's only football and I "got my money's worth". It was a good game though painful entertainment. Better then many past years. A loss is not going to destroy me. I can see us only getting better and hungrier. Another one that hurts the players. One day we will stand up.

Gee we turn feral quickly on this site.

I thought the Geelong supporters were feral. Their hate was mainly to us, but we have self loathing in abundance.
Their booing during the game was just pathetic. Why boo Max? As the commentator said when Max was taken out off the ball, "the crowd arn't happy" as though the penalty should not be paid for that indiscretion because the ferals don't like it. Or, the loud speaker coming on during play so as to gee the crowd up.

Don't become them.

I like that Melbourne supporters are fair, applaud good play no matter which side and are generally amiable even with a heart felt loss like this one. For those expressing hate I hope you recover quickly from your pain. Winning is not everything. Again I like the ride. Maybe because I have no choice as a Dees supporter. I need to enjoy it.

Congratulations to Geelong though they didn't deserve it. Robbed but they got it done and we let it slip.

[Roost It 1,434]

1 minute ago, Wiseblood said:

I know this will make me sound like an apologist, but it was reported that Hogan copped a knock to his hip in a contest towards the end of the first term and spent some time on the bench with it.  I don't think he was 100%, or at least looked like it, for the rest of the game.

You're not really wrong though in that he needs to stand up a bit more in big games.

He failed to deliver......simple as that 

[Wiseblood 24,637]

Just now, Jaded said:

We are also deeply unlucky (what’s new), that we need losing players that we desperately can’t replace. 

If Hunt was fit and playing, if Hibbo and Lever didn’t go down. If Viney could cut that [censored] toe off. 

This club has walked under a lot of ladders and killed a broken a lot of mirrors I think. 

Not to mention Stretch, although I don't feel comfortable putting him in there as he only had one good game before injury.

I wonder if we can get Hunt back into the side for the run home to finals.  He could be a handy addition across half back and through the wing.

[picket fence 17,131]

2 minutes ago, Hogan2014 said:

The script continues for the MFC & ays suffering supporters...

Create a false dawn then start loosing your good players give up a decent lead in the last qtr to pipped after the siren!

Club continues to kick us in the guts & actually don't deserve to play finals as they haven't beaten anyone in the top 8 baring the crows who were in the 8 for short time.

Continue to get scored against too easily & lack leadership in tight games

Thank God that I will be DEAD when we win another flag!!! Another 10 years of false hopes and Pipe dreams is more than enough!!

[Jaded No More 68,880]

1 minute ago, wizardinoz said:

Hogan robbed of a certain goal for that disallowed mark in the 3rd. Should have been chopping the arms free even. Bloody maggots.

Oh please, it would have made no difference to his match. He was nowhere to be seen when the pressure was on. Had Hogan stood up, it would have allowed us to clear more numbers out and load up the backline. Just as Geelong with Hawkins. But sadly he isn’t a big game player. Not yet anyway. 

[Deemania since 56 6,631]

4 minutes ago, A F said:

So I type this as I make my way up the highway back to Melbourne.

Yet another game where our efficiency going inside 50 and inside in general was insipid. Bottom 4 worthy.

The game style does not hold up defensively. We have not fixed basic structural fundamentals in our game. Every time the ball went inside 50, we conceded against these [censored]. Is it a lack of two way running from our mids, or is it poor coaching that encourages and cajoles our players into high offensive positions, leaving us completely vulnerable on the rebound?

It was so very Melbourne that an absolute gronk like Hawkins (who usually can't hit the side of a barn), was made to look like a superstar. For mine, it's the game style that's at fault.

I'm not saying Goodwin is under pressure, but his stubbornness to change his defensive system is costing us games and will now see us miss finals for the same reason two years in a row. We certainly don't deserve to play finals on the back of the first 18 rounds of 2018 anyway. We haven't beaten a top 8 side and have lost to a bottom 2 side too.

I don't want to talk about leadership tonight. I don't think that's necessarily why we lost this game. There are two major reasons why we lost. 1) our inefficinecy inside 50 and poor kicking at goal. 2) our game style that leads to us leaking goals.

I'd love to know what Geelong's conversion per inside 50 was. It felt like (with the exception of a small period in the third quarter), every time they went inside, they scored. Their straight kicking invariably meant it was a goal against.

I said last week that we'd miss finals if we lost tonight and what a gut wrenching way of meaning we'll miss.

We lack such quality and consistency across half forward too. With the exception of Melksham, who IMO is arguably our most important player for the way he connects the midfield with the forwardline, we also lack speed and polish. JKH and ANB (the latter was pretty good tonight) just don't have the speed or polish for a top 8 team.

And despite winning some crucial one v ones, I'm still waiting for Petracca to impact a game like Brayshaw or Degoey have. He just doesn't exhibit that matchbreaker quality that I hoped. He still has time, but it's frustrating that he is still yet to impact a game in the way those two aforementioned players have.

Another thing, why was Gawn off the ground for such a crucial period in the last quarter? It beggars belief. How many goals did they kick when he was off? A rest is fine but he seemed to be off more than he was on in the last.

I'll have to watch the replay if I can bare it, but despite getting a PB, I felt Clarry played a bit of a Tom Mitchell game. Lots of contested footy and touches, but didn't get it on the outside enough to use his kicking to set up play more. His first quarter was sublime though. Maybe I need to watch it again?

Anyway, does anyone else feel they've seen enough of the game style now and feel it ultimately doesn't work? Or do people think it's merely a matter of tidying up the way we enter forward 50? Surely, we would have done this now if it were that simple...

 

the game style doesn't work. MIdfield elements do work but not all. As for the Offence and Defence - forget it!

[Devil is in the Detail 883]

5 minutes ago, Roost It said:

Done $10

then we’ll roll the cats out of the finals 

I'll have some of what you're on.

[John Crow Batty 8,863]

We lost it when we put the cue in the rack after going 29 points up. We snapped out of it after their 5 goal run but it was too late. Same old mental demons kicking in thinking we had the game won.

Edited July 21, 2018 by america de cali

[Jaded No More 68,880]

2 minutes ago, kevin martin said:

Winning is not everything.

Wrong game. Wrong forum. Wrong. 

Winning IS everything. It’s because it is everything, that we have been nothing for 5 decades. 

[Devil In Disguise 2,278]

It would have made a difference to the result & this post match talk, though.

[Pennant St Dee 13,166]

2 minutes ago, Roost It said:

I’m no apologist. Just don’t rant at a young team and dump years of disappointment on them. We made some stupid mistakes but literally everything went right for Geelong in the last right down to Max’s blood rule. We’ll win the 4 of the last 5 and pump the Cats in the first week of the finals. It’s all set up now. 

Your wasting your time 

Goodwin makes the move at halftime of Harmes to Danger and the game turns big time in our favour but he can't coach apparently.

FMD Hawkins got absolute silver service for 3 goals for those goals in the last. Goody moves Frost and we reset and do what we need.

14.14 is not the coaches fault

Some strange umpires decisions especially Ablett getting a free at the top of the centre square for holding when he actually dropped the ball

Gawny with the blood rule, shocking luck

Tracs bomb bad mistake but in fairness he held the ball as long as he could 

JKH panicking when he had more time

So easy to think with a clear head as opposed to ranting like a lunatic 

And I didn't mind Goodys presser pretty honest assessment 

[binman 42,842]

15 minutes ago, timbo said:

Someone said it earlier and I laughed but now agreee. Trade now and get über $$$

You have had an extraordinary number of posts since you started posting on DL.

Your posting history is almost a perfect analogy for our inside 50's. Lots and lots of them but far too many fail to hit their target.

[Roost It 1,434]

Just now, Devil is in the Detail said:

I'll have some of what you're on.

Just life. I learnt a long time ago not to use the MFC for my happiness 

[bringbackthebiff 654]

4 minutes ago, kevin martin said:

Melbourne as usual.

I've grown up expecting and having this kind of journey. So I can enjoy this emotion. Feeling numb, a bit dizzy, frustrated and some pain. It's only football and I "got my money's worth". It was a good game though painful entertainment. Better then many past years. A loss is not going to destroy me. I can see us only getting better and hungrier. Another one that hurts the players. One day we will stand up.

Gee we turn feral quickly on this site.

I thought the Geelong supporters were feral. Their hate was mainly to us, but we have self loathing in abundance.
Their booing during the game was just pathetic. Why boo Max? As the commentator said when Max was taken out off the ball, "the crowd arn't happy" as though the penalty should not be paid for that indiscretion because the ferals don't like it. Or, the loud speaker coming on during play so as to gee the crowd up.

Don't become them.

I like that Melbourne supporters are fair, applaud good play no matter which side and are generally amiable even with a heart felt loss like this one. For those expressing hate I hope you recover quickly from your pain. Winning is not everything. Again I like the ride. Maybe because I have no choice as a Dees supporter. I need to enjoy it.

Congratulations to Geelong though they didn't deserve it. Robbed but they got it done and we let it slip.

I wish I was them! ? ? ? 

[Dee1993 93]

Ahhhh relax guys. Sick game. Tracs breakout game. Dees played really well in parts. Remember... it's only footy. We'll beat adelaide next week

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1 minute ago, binman said:

You have had an extraordinary number of posts since you started posting on DL.

Your posting history is almost a perfect analogy for our inside 50's. Lots and lots of them but far too many fail to hit their target.

You're right. I should play for us.

 

[McQueen 17,864]

9 minutes ago, timbo said:

....to go Away 

 

hey! Badoom-tish

 

Mate you’re on fire tonight. ???

[titan_uranus 24,990]

2 minutes ago, Jaded said:

We are also deeply unlucky (what’s new), that we need losing players that we desperately can’t replace. 

If Hunt was fit and playing, if Hibbo and Lever didn’t go down. If Viney could cut that [censored] toe off. 

This club has walked under a lot of ladders and killed a broken a lot of mirrors I think. 

I don't know if we're allowed to complain about injuries, we had a pretty good year.

However, it's probably little to no coincidence that through our 6-game winning streak we largely had a full list to choose from.

Since Lever went down we're 2-4 and look demonstrably worse defensively, with OMac regressing from his early-season form.

Since Viney went down we've lost consecutive CP and clearance statistics despite being the best side in both.

Without Stretch we've given two games to JKH who adds nothing offensively (essentially the complete opposite of Stretch).

2 minutes ago, A F said:

So I type this as I make my way up the highway back to Melbourne.

Yet another game where our efficiency going inside 50 and inside in general was insipid. Bottom 4 worthy.

The game style does not hold up defensively. We have not fixed basic structural fundamentals in our game. Every time the ball went inside 50, we conceded against these [censored]. Is it a lack of two way running from our mids, or is it poor coaching that encourages and cajoles our players into high offensive positions, leaving us completely vulnerable on the rebound?

It was so very Melbourne that an absolute gronk like Hawkins (who usually can't hit the side of a barn), was made to look like a superstar. For mine, it's the game style that's at fault.

I'm not saying Goodwin is under pressure, but his stubbornness to change his defensive system is costing us games and will now see us miss finals for the same reason two years in a row. We certainly don't deserve to play finals on the back of the first 18 rounds of 2018 anyway. We haven't beaten a top 8 side and have lost to a bottom 2 side too.

I don't want to talk about leadership tonight. I don't think that's necessarily why we lost this game. There are two major reasons why we lost. 1) our inefficinecy inside 50 and poor kicking at goal. 2) our game style that leads to us leaking goals.

I'd love to know what Geelong's conversion per inside 50 was. It felt like (with the exception of a small period in the third quarter), every time they went inside, they scored. Their straight kicking invariably meant it was a goal against.

I said last week that we'd miss finals if we lost tonight and what a gut wrenching way of meaning we'll miss.

We lack such quality and consistency across half forward too. With the exception of Melksham, who IMO is arguably our most important player for the way he connects the midfield with the forwardline, we also lack speed and polish. JKH and ANB (the latter was pretty good tonight) just don't have the speed or polish for a top 8 team.

And despite winning some crucial one v ones, I'm still waiting for Petracca to impact a game like Brayshaw or Degoey have. He just doesn't exhibit that matchbreaker quality that I hoped. He still has time, but it's frustrating that he is still yet to impact a game in the way those two aforementioned players have.

Another thing, why was Gawn off the ground for such a crucial period in the last quarter? It beggars belief. How many goals did they kick when he was off? A rest is fine but he seemed to be off more than he was on in the last.

I'll have to watch the replay if I can bare it, but despite getting a PB, I felt Clarry played a bit of a Tom Mitchell game. Lots of contested footy and touches, but didn't get it on the outside enough to use his kicking to set up play more. His first quarter was sublime though. Maybe I need to watch it again?

Anyway, does anyone else feel they've seen enough of the game style now and feel it ultimately doesn't work? Or do people think it's merely a matter of tidying up the way we enter forward 50? Surely, we would have done this now if it were that simple...

Geelong had 20 scoring shots from 50 inside 50s, being a 40% scoring rate.

That's actually a lot lower than some of our other games this year.

[binman 42,842]

1 minute ago, timbo said:

You're right. I should play for us.

 

Case in point.

[DeleteUser 638]

9 minutes ago, McQueen said:

Mate you’re on fire tonight. ???

Edit as what I said was stupid. Apologies. 

Edited July 21, 2018 by timbo

[WERRIDEE 5,468]

We were robbed by silly rules and a spud that would have kicked that goal if he was in the VFL. Never play JKH again.

Oscar is at the crossroads no idea on Hawkins who always kills us. Time to bring in Keilty.

Clarry will be the best footballer in the league shortly.

Harmes best game ever.

What is wrong with Hogan? Can't take a mark unless it's against a midget. In nearly every game we have lost he has been poor.

[samcantstandya 1,045]

Just now, gregdemon said:

How much more character building do we need       

Soft   soft  soft

 

1 hour ago, jumbo returns said:

We just lacked leadership in that last 3 minutes

Lewis was the only one trying to marshall the zone

 

What was Jones doing??

[dworship 3,342]

1 minute ago, A F said:

So I type this as I make my way up the highway back to Melbourne.

Yet another game where our efficiency going inside 50 and inside in general was insipid. Bottom 4 worthy.

The game style does not hold up defensively. We have not fixed basic structural fundamentals in our game. Every time the ball went inside 50, we conceded against these [censored]. Is it a lack of two way running from our mids, or is it poor coaching that encourages and cajoles our players into high offensive positions, leaving us completely vulnerable on the rebound?

It was so very Melbourne that an absolute gronk like Hawkins (who usually can't hit the side of a barn), was made to look like a superstar. For mine, it's the game style that's at fault.

I'm not saying Goodwin is under pressure, but his stubbornness to change his defensive system is costing us games and will now see us miss finals for the same reason two years in a row. We certainly don't deserve to play finals on the back of the first 18 rounds of 2018 anyway. We haven't beaten a top 8 side and have lost to a bottom 2 side too.

I don't want to talk about leadership tonight. I don't think that's necessarily why we lost this game. There are two major reasons why we lost. 1) our inefficinecy inside 50 and poor kicking at goal. 2) our game style that leads to us leaking goals.

I'd love to know what Geelong's conversion per inside 50 was. It felt like (with the exception of a small period in the third quarter), every time they went inside, they scored. Their straight kicking invariably meant it was a goal against.

I said last week that we'd miss finals if we lost tonight and what a gut wrenching way of meaning we'll miss.

We lack such quality and consistency across half forward too. With the exception of Melksham, who IMO is arguably our most important player for the way he connects the midfield with the forwardline, we also lack speed and polish. JKH and ANB (the latter was pretty good tonight) just don't have the speed or polish for a top 8 team.

And despite winning some crucial one v ones, I'm still waiting for Petracca to impact a game like Brayshaw or Degoey have. He just doesn't exhibit that matchbreaker quality that I hoped. He still has time, but it's frustrating that he is still yet to impact a game in the way those two aforementioned players have.

Another thing, why was Gawn off the ground for such a crucial period in the last quarter? It beggars belief. How many goals did they kick when he was off? A rest is fine but he seemed to be off more than he was on in the last.

I'll have to watch the replay if I can bare it, but despite getting a PB, I felt Clarry played a bit of a Tom Mitchell game. Lots of contested footy and touches, but didn't get it on the outside enough to use his kicking to set up play more. His first quarter was sublime though. Maybe I need to watch it again?

Anyway, does anyone else feel they've seen enough of the game style now and feel it ultimately doesn't work? Or do people think it's merely a matter of tidying up the way we enter forward 50? Surely, we would have done this now if it were that simple...

 

Wrong wrong and wrong. 14 14  Vs 16 4 just admit we are cursed ( don't tell the players though). I so wont to meet the [censored] in a prelim at the G and give them the spanking they deserve. Have some faith  this will turn and I think the players believe/ know it will happen if they keep to the plan.I'm as gutted as anyone by this loss but keep some perspective.

[DeleteUser 638]

1 minute ago, binman said:

Case in point.

Exactly