Tyson will never be good until he is playing as an inside mid.

He is not an outside runner, and Goodwin trying to make him one, won't work. He is slow and a poor user of the footy. What he does exceptionally well is win clearances. 

As for the Smith vs Weideman argument, both bring different things to the table, but bottom line is Weids is the future. We need to get game time into him, and the time to do that is now. 

Our backline is my biggest worry, for which there is no great solution. Frost is major NQR, Petty is untried and raw, and that's about the depth we got going on. We have lost a lot of quality down back in recent years in Frawley, Dunn and Howe (say what you like, the two boys are doing very well at Collingwood). We've only regained Lever in the process. That's 3 out 1 in, and now he is injured. We are really thin for backline depth and it's a major worry. 

 

Petracca, Garlett, Tyson must lift if we're a sneaky chance at snatching one.

1 hour ago, ManDee said:

I don't get the love for Garlett at the moment and drop Hannan? Compare with Hannan playing at the highest level to Garlett VFL

Kicks 7 (5 ineffective)

Handballs  5  (2 ineffective)

Tackles 4

Goals 1

Hannan AFL

Kicks  9

Handballs   2

Tackles  4

Goals 2

Jeffy does not deserve a game at the moment.

I'm can understand your last point MD but Hannan's form has completely dropped away last 4 to 5 rounds.   Jeffy not great either but it might have become a bit of a coin flip for the selectors.  Wouldn't surprise me.

42 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

I'm can understand your last point MD but Hannan's form has completely dropped away last 4 to 5 rounds.   Jeffy not great either but it might have become a bit of a coin flip for the selectors.  Wouldn't surprise me.

Rusty those stats are the last round. Hannan at AFL level has better stats than Jeffy in the VFL. I agree Hannan has dropped off but Garlett does not deserve a call up.

1 hour ago, Jaded said:

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Our backline is my biggest worry, for which there is no great solution. Frost is major NQR, Petty is untried and raw, and that's about the depth we got going on. We have lost a lot of quality down back in recent years in Frawley, Dunn and Howe (say what you like, the two boys are doing very well at Collingwood). We've only regained Lever in the process. That's 3 out 1 in, and now he is injured. We are really thin for backline depth and it's a major worry. 

 

Hibberd isn't too bad!

26 minutes ago, ManDee said:

Rusty those stats are the last round. Hannan at AFL level has better stats than Jeffy in the VFL. I agree Hannan has dropped off but Garlett does not deserve a call up.

In fairness, Jeffy played on a wet, miserable day at Casey that was not exactly made for small forwards. Why are people waiting for a 'break out' game to get Jeffy back in the side? He has produced the goods at AFL level over a long period of time. 

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I bet TMac won’t play. 50/50 in Club speak means no hope. 

6 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

I bet TMac won’t play. 50/50 in Club speak means no hope. 

Doubt he gets up.

We may go with a smaller forward line this week... dont think we should play both Weid and T Smith.

Hogan and Weid is enough vs the Saints, with Weid taking backup ruck duties.

31 minutes ago, Deeoldfart said:

Hibberd isn't too bad!

He's not and you're right, he is probably covered Howe's role a bit, but he isn't great overhead which means he can't play tall at all. 

Garlett (or Spargo) must come in.

Had either of them been selected against Port, the list of players who many are now saying should be playing for Casey would not be so long.

 

39 minutes ago, Tough Kent said:

In fairness, Jeffy played on a wet, miserable day at Casey that was not exactly made for small forwards. Why are people waiting for a 'break out' game to get Jeffy back in the side? He has produced the goods at AFL level over a long period of time. 

Sorry but judging on the VFL reports posted here, it sounds like he has been average for a while

Maybe the FD and Goodwin are looking for numbers that you're not looking at.

Past performance is not an indicator of future performance.

There must be a reason he is languishing in the 2nds.

48 minutes ago, Tough Kent said:

In fairness, Jeffy played on a wet, miserable day at Casey that was not exactly made for small forwards. Why are people waiting for a 'break out' game to get Jeffy back in the side? He has produced the goods at AFL level over a long period of time. 

And a totally different player Weideman,

Kicks  9     5 ineffective

Handballs  3    2 ineffective

Tackles 3

Marks 9

Goals 7

So it was wet & miserable, If a big key forward can get that much of the ball on a bad day it should mean that there would be more opportunities for small crumbers, can't have it both ways. Sorry Jeffy put up or stay at Casey. It seems to me that he has spat the dummy.

 

1 hour ago, ManDee said:

Rusty those stats are the last round. Hannan at AFL level has better stats than Jeffy in the VFL. I agree Hannan has dropped off but Garlett does not deserve a call up.

From what i saw against Coburg and the reports in general from those attending VFL matches MD that is hard to argue against.

Jeeez..... it’s still a long way to go until Sunday! ?

Playing on Friday night makes the break between games seem soooo much longer. I found myself wondering who'd been selected last night. ... awe won't know until Friday- STILL two days away ...

9 hours ago, Jaded said:

Our backline is my biggest worry, for which there is no great solution. Frost is major NQR, Petty is untried and raw, and that's about the depth we got going on. We have lost a lot of quality down back in recent years in Frawley, Dunn and Howe (say what you like, the two boys are doing very well at Collingwood). We've only regained Lever in the process. That's 3 out 1 in, and now he is injured. We are really thin for backline depth and it's a major worry. 

 

4 out 1 in...

Anyone else wish we still had Garland as a backup, would have been a pretty useful swap for Lever.

9 hours ago, ManDee said:

And a totally different player Weideman,

Kicks  9     5 ineffective

Handballs  3    2 ineffective

Tackles 3

Marks 9

Goals 7

 

Pardon my ignorance, but how did the Weid manage 7 goals from 4 effective kicks?

Over his career Hoges averages 3.33 goals against the Saints. He likes playing them.

I’m not clutching at my pearls at the suggestion of dropping the likes of Hogan or Petracca, but this is not the time to do it. You back him in, especially considering the form he was showing two weeks ago.

8 hours ago, DaisyDeeciple said:

4 out 1 in...

Anyone else wish we still had Garland as a backup, would have been a pretty useful swap for Lever.

No thanks. I am a big fan, but the game had well and truely passed Garland towards the end.

7 hours ago, M_9 said:

Pardon my ignorance, but how did the Weid manage 7 goals from 4 effective kicks?

9 effective kicks and 5 ineffective kicks

Goodwin said he expects both Jetta and T Mac to play. 

 

I don't mind tyson as depth but he is just so slow in the mind and has no awareness. That piece of play against port where he was jogging with the ball blissfully unaware of his surroundings only to get mown down from behind has been so typical of tyson in his career so far. Great accumulator and his skills are okay but for me it's his lack of awareness which is a massive momentum killer. 

Webster out for the Saints 

5 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

Webster out for the Saints 

Geary probably back in.   Still leaves their defence down.

With Webster out maybe we can rest Tom Mc to have more time to get his lung capacity back and rest up. Difficult run home coming up.

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