WELCOME TO DEMONLAND - ED LANGDON

[Wiseblood 24,637]

Short update from Scott Lucas (Langdon's manager):

Lucas said Melbourne and Fremantle have had "really good dialogue" about a trade for the Dockers wingman.

"If the deadline was this Friday it would all get done, but when it's next Wednesday you work to that date.

"To get a deal done opens up a heap of other deals.

"I think there's an understanding of getting it done and I think expectations from both sides are quite close."

Edited October 8, 2019 by Wiseblood

[Nelo 813]

Just do the stupid deal and get it done. Don’t drag it out. That’s why the trade period needs to go from Mon-Fri. 

[DemonOX 8,857]

  On 08/10/2019 at 00:59, Nelo said:

Just do the stupid deal and get it done. Don’t drag it out. That’s why the trade period needs to go from Mon-Fri. 

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Don’t forget we are dealing with freo which is dealing with ding dong Bell. 

I just wonder when he is going to have a hissy fit and say we are not doing the deal like he did with Hogan last year. Was bloody hilarious for a professional to act like that. 

[Nelo 813]

  On 08/10/2019 at 01:27, DemonOX said:

Don’t forget we are dealing with freo which is dealing with ding dong Bell. 

I just wonder when he is going to have a hissy fit and say we are not doing the deal like he did with Hogan last year. Was bloody hilarious for a professional to act like that. 

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You’re right there, Bell is hard work. Time to get one back on Freo. 

[Scoop Junior 3,582]

  On 07/10/2019 at 21:40, binman said:

Equals a completely different team able to prevent easy opposition ball movement and transition and run out quarters and games.

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And that was the key factor in our early losses that had us 1-4 and backs against the wall. Unclear whether work rate and structural issues contributed, but there was no doubt we were run off our feet and struggled to cope physically with the load in those losses to Port, Geelong, Essendon and St Kilda.

We actually did improve a fair bit after that point and lost two games (WCE and Crows) that we should have easily won. I've got no doubt those two losses, in particular the Crows one (which was perhaps the most I've seen a team dominate a game without winning), just shattered our belief and confidence and we never recovered. Had we won those two games it would've been 4 wins from the past 5 and, while we were not at the level of 2018, we may have gone on to win 2-3 more games and finish with 10 or so wins.

[GCDee 3,203]

  On 08/10/2019 at 00:59, Nelo said:

Just do the stupid deal and get it done. Don’t drag it out. That’s why the trade period needs to go from Mon-Fri. 

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Shouldn't even be that long, considering the list managers are talking throughout the year. It really should be 2-3 days and wrap it up nice and quickly but I'm sure the trade radio sponsors bring in a but load of revenue. 

[Demons11 7,152]

  On 08/10/2019 at 08:41, GCDee said:

Shouldn't even be that long, considering the list managers are talking throughout the year. It really should be 2-3 days and wrap it up nice and quickly but I'm sure the trade radio sponsors bring in a but load of revenue. 

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The AFL also loves being in the news as much as possible 

[deebug 1,754]

Three weeks of this is just way too long.

Have to agree with Nelo, should have been done in the last few days.

[DeeSpencer 26,717]

  On 08/10/2019 at 00:59, Nelo said:

Just do the stupid deal and get it done. Don’t drag it out. That’s why the trade period needs to go from Mon-Fri. 

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The trade period needs to go from mid October until March, maybe even until later in the season.

It's ridiculous to restrict the ability to trade players down to a period of 2 weeks yet alone 1 week.

That said, an expanded free agency should start at this time - ideally mid October rather than just after the Grand Final - and the vast majority of off season moves should be with free agents. Kick off the exchange period with a big free agency bonanza then let teams work on actual trades at whatever pace they want.

[Gawn's Beard 383]

  On 08/10/2019 at 09:50, DeeSpencer said:

The trade period needs to go from mid October until March, maybe even until later in the season.

It's ridiculous to restrict the ability to trade players down to a period of 2 weeks yet alone 1 week.

That said, an expanded free agency should start at this time - ideally mid October rather than just after the Grand Final - and the vast majority of off season moves should be with free agents. Kick off the exchange period with a big free agency bonanza then let teams work on actual trades at whatever pace they want.

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It’s heading that way. They are slowly adopting the American (NBA) model, which I think is sensible. Players have too much power at the moment. I think that we’ll ultimately get to:

- FA & trade from Monday following Grand Final to prior to first game / bye weekend

- Trading of future picks at any time during the trade period

- Tradinng of players permitted immediately after you’ve drafted them

- Lottery for the top 10 selections in the draft  

I would also like to see a “waiver” system where you can delist players at any time (you’d have to pay out their contracts) and pick up a free agent (ie someone who has been eligible and nominated for a draft and has been overlooked / delisted). 

Seems to work in the NBA where few teams are up / down for prolonged (ie MFC) periods of times. 

Edited October 8, 2019 by Gawn's Beard

[whatwhat say what 23,895]

  On 08/10/2019 at 10:20, Gawn's Beard said:

It’s heading that way. They are slowly adopting the American (NBA) model, which I think is sensible. Players have too much power at the moment. I think that we’ll ultimately get to:

- FA & trade from Monday following Grand Final to prior to first game / bye weekend

- Trading of future picks at any time, including trading of players after you’ve drafted them

- Lottery for the top 10 selections in the draft  

I would also like to see a “waiver” system where you can delist players at any time (you’d have to pay out their contracts) and pick up a free agent (ie someone who has been eligible and nominated for a draft and has been overlooked / delisted). 

Seems to work in the NBA where few teams are up / down for prolonged (ie MFC) periods of times. 

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Tell that to fans of the 76ers or Knicks, who both tried tanking to - this far - different outcomes

Not to mention Sacramento Kings, who have had 13 seasons without a playoff appearance 

Edited October 8, 2019 by whatwhatsaywhat

[Gawn's Beard 383]

  On 08/10/2019 at 10:22, whatwhatsaywhat said:

Tell that to fans of the 76ers or Knicks, who both tried tanking to - this far - different outcomes

Not to mention Sacramento Kings, who have had 13 seasons without a playoff appearance 

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No model is going to fix a basketcase ownership / management structure (ie Knicks)...

Are we the modern day Knicks of the AFL?

[DeeSpencer 26,717]

  On 08/10/2019 at 10:20, Gawn's Beard said:

It’s heading that way. They are slowly adopting the American (NBA) model, which I think is sensible. Players have too much power at the moment. I think that we’ll ultimately get to:

- FA & trade from Monday following Grand Final to prior to first game / bye weekend

- Trading of future picks at any time during the trade period

- Tradinng of players permitted immediately after you’ve drafted them

- Lottery for the top 10 selections in the draft  

I would also like to see a “waiver” system where you can delist players at any time (you’d have to pay out their contracts) and pick up a free agent (ie someone who has been eligible and nominated for a draft and has been overlooked / delisted). 

Seems to work in the NBA where few teams are up / down for prolonged (ie MFC) periods of times. 

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I'm more of an NFL man and I think the NFL maintains good parity by (so far) discouraging tanking. The top teams mostly retain their own players and tinker around the edges, the middle of the road teams often spend up and either improve or don't and the bottom teams can rebuild relatively quickly with a short period of stacking draft picks if need be. 

Greater free agency will help the wealthy clubs but if they spend recklessly there will be bargains to be had. And there's plenty of ways to protect star players so if they leave it still requires a trade.

Really all we want is a system where the draft and salary cap keeps the league tight whilst also stopping gun kids or top line players walking out for nothing. Players 15-45 on a list could be open to a completely free market and no one would get too upset.

[whelan45 203]

They need to introduce the two year contract, plus a further two year team option for draftees. That way it's much harder for a Ben King to leave so quickly. But not every draftee gets 4 years if they don't earn it

[picket fence 18,233]

  On 08/10/2019 at 10:22, whatwhatsaywhat said:

Tell that to fans of the 76ers or Knicks, who both tried tanking to - this far - different outcomes

Not to mention Sacramento Kings, who have had 13 seasons without a playoff appearance 

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13 Seasons Huh??not as pathetic as our 55 odd years of Jack Sheeeeeit!

[Adam The God 30,768]

  On 08/10/2019 at 11:04, whelan45 said:

They need to introduce the two year contract, plus a further two year team option for draftees. That way it's much harder for a Ben King to leave so quickly. But not every draftee gets 4 years if they don't earn it

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I don't really care if it means Ben King comes to Melbourne.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,468]

  On 08/10/2019 at 00:59, Nelo said:

Just do the stupid deal and get it done. Don’t drag it out. That’s why the trade period needs to go from Mon-Fri. 

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What's the rush? He's not going to play for us til next March anyway

[whatwhat say what 23,895]

  On 08/10/2019 at 11:05, picket fence said:

13 Seasons Huh??not as pathetic as our 55 odd years of Jack Sheeeeeit!

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actually it's identical to us - 13 seasons without playoff appearances

they're one of the oldest basketball teams in existence yet they've won one title - in 51 - when they known as the rochester royals

the kings WISH they were as successful as the dees!

Edited October 8, 2019 by whatwhatsaywhat

[Bay Riffin 1,520]

  On 08/10/2019 at 01:27, DemonOX said:

Don’t forget we are dealing with freo which is dealing with ding dong Bell. 

I just wonder when he is going to have a hissy fit and say we are not doing the deal like he did with Hogan last year. Was bloody hilarious for a professional to act like that. 

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Do remember this is one of their top 5 players. Probably the equivalent of Harmes in value. Not elite but much valued. 

What would you accept for Harmes? 

 

Imo if we give up just a second rounder for a top 5 player who is only 23 years old, we are laughing. 

[Dee Zephyr 19,333]

A chance this gets done today?

Was 50/50 on Ed in the first half of the season but after watching some Freo games at the back end of the year this guy took his game to a new level I thought. Was out of puff myself just watching him run up and down all day to great effect.

[Nelo 813]

  On 08/10/2019 at 21:29, Dee Zephyr said:

A chance this gets done today?

Was 50/50 on Ed in the first half of the season but after watching some Freo games at the back end of the year this guy took his game to a new level I thought. Was out of puff myself just watching him run up and down all day to great effect.

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I tend to agree. Seemed to improve as the season went on. 

[DemonOX 8,857]

  On 08/10/2019 at 21:17, Bay Riffin said:

Do remember this is one of their top 5 players. Probably the equivalent of Harmes in value. Not elite but much valued. 

What would you accept for Harmes? 

 

Imo if we give up just a second rounder for a top 5 player who is only 23 years old, we are laughing. 

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Imo for Harmes probably would get very late first round if we are lucky or early second round. Market would prob give second round. 

[drdrake 3,203]

  On 08/10/2019 at 22:34, DemonOX said:

Imo for Harmes probably would get very late first round if we are lucky or early second round. Market would prob give second round. 

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Your dreaming Harmes would be Third round pick, might get a late second round.  Personally would like to see Harmes of HBF, I reckon he gets lost in the midfield most matches.

Sydney in the past have been great in trade week, they got most deals done early.  There is no reason to wait until the deadline to get deals done.  This one seems straight forward, just sign it off and move onto the next deal.

[DemonOX 8,857]

  On 08/10/2019 at 23:21, drdrake said:

Your dreaming Harmes would be Third round pick, might get a late second round.  Personally would like to see Harmes of HBF, I reckon he gets lost in the midfield most matches.

Sydney in the past have been great in trade week, they got most deals done early.  There is no reason to wait until the deadline to get deals done.  This one seems straight forward, just sign it off and move onto the next deal.

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Gotta dream a little dr. It’s all we got. 

[R.I.P. Troy 185]

  On 08/10/2019 at 10:28, Gawn's Beard said:

No model is going to fix a basketcase ownership / management structure (ie Knicks)...

Are we the modern day Knicks of the AFL?

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Yes. Haven't you seen our new 2020 jumper design?