WELCOME TO DEMONLAND - ED LANGDON

[FireInTheBennelly 4,072]

12 minutes ago, Unleash Hell said:

Is that before or after GCs compo picks?

Ah bugger, forgot about that. Teaches me for being a smart ars

[darkhorse72 1,916]

Just reading the Ed is out of contract.  If Freo is being a pain, why don't we do a pick swap with GC and get pick 1 in the preseason* draft and get him for nothing.  

**as he not a delisted free agent he needs to wait for the preseason draft, I assume that is correct.

 

[Moonshadow 17,676]

2 minutes ago, Darkhorse72 said:

Just reading the Ed is out of contract.  If Freo is being a pain, why don't we do a pick swap with GC and get pick 1 in the preseason* draft and get him for nothing.  

**as he not a delisted free agent he needs to wait for the preseason draft, I assume that is correct.

 

Can clubs swap preseason draft picks? I thought it was only the national draft where this happened. Not sure though

[faultydet 7,594]

10 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Can clubs swap preseason draft picks? I thought it was only the national draft where this happened. Not sure though

Nope

[Wiseblood 24,637]

17 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Can clubs swap preseason draft picks? I thought it was only the national draft where this happened. Not sure though

As faulty says above, we can't, but I would suggest you could discuss some sort of agreement around who clubs might select and so forth.

[darkhorse72 1,916]

1 hour ago, Wiseblood said:

As faulty says above, we can't, but I would suggest you could discuss some sort of agreement around who clubs might select and so forth.

Pity.  I guess the other way I’d Ed names his price that GC won’t pay (but we can afford) as other players have done.

it would be a nice move to keep in the back pocket, not that I think we’ll be that hard on the trade.

[spirit of norm smith 16,441]

Freo gets pick 22 for Langdon.  Seems fair.  We paid similar for Hibbo and Melksham respectively.  

[Pates 9,660]

4 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Freo gets pick 22 for Langdon.  Seems fair.  We paid similar for Hibbo and Melksham respectively.  

I’d like to see us do some later pick shuffles that see us get say an earlier 3rd rounder for our 4th rounder

[jnrmac 20,058]

On 9/5/2019 at 11:03 PM, Demon Forever said:

Always did say that Fitzpatrick body was abnormal. Small legs and a massive torso 

Good for tunnel ball apparently...........

[jnrmac 20,058]

46 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Freo gets pick 22 for Langdon.  Seems fair.  We paid similar for Hibbo and Melksham respectively.  

Freo might regret being such [censored] over the Hogan trade. Happy if we squeeze them

[Moonshadow 17,676]

52 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Freo gets pick 22 for Langdon.  Seems fair.  We paid similar for Hibbo and Melksham respectively.  

Frost to Hawks for 30.

30 to Freo for Langdon.

We keep 22.

However, Langdon is worth more than 30 

[Demons11 7,007]

10 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

Frost to Hawks for 30.

30 to Freo for Langdon.

We keep 22.

However, Langdon is worth more than 30 

Langdon has much more upside than Frost.

22 seems about right.

[deebug 1,754]

Yes 22 should be fair, then enough for Langdon.

[Ron Burgundy 8,584]

24 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

Langdon has much more upside than Frost.

22 seems about right.

We have absolutely nailed trading this pick each year for a while now: Vince, Melksham, Hibberd and now Langdon.

I’m just hoping we manage to nail pick 3 and pick up Elliott.

And somehow get Yze back to the club.

 

[Demons11 7,007]

19 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said:

We have absolutely nailed trading this pick each year for a while now: Vince, Melksham, Hibberd and now Langdon.

I’m just hoping we manage to nail pick 3 and pick up Elliott.

And somehow get Yze back to the club.

 

I read somewhere on demonland that Yze isn’t coming due to his Hawks contract. 

 

 

[Ron Burgundy 8,584]

1 minute ago, Demons11 said:

I read somewhere on demonland that Yze isn’t coming due to his Hawks contract. 

 

 

Yep, I read that too. Disappointing really.

It was simply wish thinking.

 

[DubDee 25,839]

Will be interesting to see where Ed finishes in the BnF on Saturday. Stats wise he should be top 5, maybe even top 3.  hopefully that doesnt hurt our trade position.   I would be delighted to get him for pick 22

23yo, 70 games, about to hit his peak.  took 131 marks this year, 2nd in uncontested possessions behind Hill.  Can't wait to hopefully get him!

[FireInTheBennelly 4,072]

2 hours ago, Demons11 said:

I read somewhere on demonland that Yze isn’t coming due to his Hawks contract. 

 

 

It is silly season though, I'm sure it won't be long before someone pops up with '......hold on, there's still a chance it could happen yet'

[Mach5 4,767]

14 hours ago, jnrmac said:

Freo might regret being such [censored] over the Hogan trade. Happy if we squeeze them

I'd expect that to come into it.

I'm sure with the Hogan deal, we'd have discussed Langdon being part of it.

Freo would have tried to claim he's worth a 1st round pick, we might have said 3rd, so leave him out of it.
Now he's uncontracted, so his "worth" changes again. 

[Ted Lasso 19,507]

1 hour ago, Mach5 said:

I'd expect that to come into it.

I'm sure with the Hogan deal, we'd have discussed Langdon being part of it.

Freo would have tried to claim he's worth a 1st round pick, we might have said 3rd, so leave him out of it.
Now he's uncontracted, so his "worth" changes again. 

As others have suggested i don't mind the idea of basically giving the Suns Billy Stretch in exchange for not taking Langdon PSD and just bending the Dockers over with this one, third round or nothing. 

 

[Diamond_Jim 12,568]

1 minute ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

As others have suggested i don't mind the idea of basically giving the Suns Billy Stretch in exchange for not taking Langdon PSD and just bending the Dockers over with this one, third round or nothing. 

 

Can you do that. I recall there being rarely enforced rules about manipulating the draft. With the luck of the MFC we'd be the fist for them to be enforced against.

I assume you cannot trade spots in the PSD.

[Ted Lasso 19,507]

Just now, Diamond_Jim said:

Can you do that. I recall there being rarely enforced rules about manipulating the draft. With the luck of the MFC we'd be the fist for them to be enforced against.

I assume you cannot trade spots in the PSD.

I don't think you can in any official way, but i think it's a regular thing unoffically, in terms of not bidding on players etc. more of a handshake type situation 

[Moonshadow 17,676]

19 minutes ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

As others have suggested i don't mind the idea of basically giving the Suns Billy Stretch in exchange for not taking Langdon PSD and just bending the Dockers over with this one, third round or nothing. 

 

Would have to be disguised (eg. Stretch for 5th rounder) as what you suggest could be described as draft tampering. AFL wants trades to be balanced (unless of course, it involves GCS or GWS, so maybe forget what I'm trying to say...)

Edited October 2, 2019 by Moonshadow

[Diamond_Jim 12,568]

7 minutes ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

I don't think you can in any official way, but i think it's a regular thing unoffically, in terms of not bidding on players etc. more of a handshake type situation 

I suppose GCS could just tell us that they weren't intending to take him at the designated salary and term which would give us the upper hand in negotiations. In reality it's not a high risk play as GCS would be unlikely to take him interstate against his will.

The law is full of definitions of the term "understanding" but they rarely extend it to the concept of merely being informed.

Edited October 2, 2019 by Diamond_Jim

[Ted Lasso 19,507]

2 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

I suppose GCS could just tell us that they weren't intending to take him at the designated salary and term which would give us the upper hand in negotiations. In reality it's not a high risk play as GCS would be unlikely to take him interstate against his will.

The law is full of definitions of the term "understanding" but they rarely extend it to the concept of merely being informed.

Agreed, and i suspect they'd be at least likely to let us know that in exchange for a good deal with Billy to help our Langdon negotiations. usually i think you're better off being good to deal with at the trade table and teams normally pay you back for that, but with the dockers are last off season i don't mind milking them a little bit more.