Post Match Discussion - Round 8

[BigFez 1,491]

i Just called up 2012 me and told him we were the number 1 contested ball team in the competition, and we laughed and laughed and laughed.

[jnrmac 20,385]

  On 12/05/2018 at 10:59, old dee said:

Wise blood he is useless. What did he do today. He had the lowest stats of 2 kicks, 4 handpasses and 2 tap outs. Any other 6 foot+ on the list could have got more than that. Hogan and Tmac don't need him. They need someone who contributes.

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He didn't have a lot of stats but at half time he had run 7.5km the second most on the ground behind Hogan who also hadn't done much at that point.

When players are running and spreading its a good thing. It creates space. And even if they don't get the ball they take a player with them.

You don't know what Weid's instructions are. Its possible he is being told to roam up hte ground and take a key player out with him. The fact he keeps getting picked suggests they like the flexibility he offers. And as a backup ruckman he does a pretty good job.

[Uncle Fester 2,848]

  On 12/05/2018 at 12:01, Jaded said:

Stewy Dew looks like he ate all the players. 

 

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The giggles that gave me can never be properly put into words.

[WERRIDEE 5,641]

  On 12/05/2018 at 12:42, jnrmac said:

He didn't have a lot of stats but at half time he had run 7.5km the second most on the ground behind Hogan who also hadn't done much at that point.

When players are running and spreading its a good thing. It creates space. And even if they don't get the ball they take a player with them.

You don't know what Weid's instructions are. Its possible he is being told to roam up hte ground and take a key player out with him. The fact he keeps getting picked suggests they like the flexibility he offers. And as a backup ruckman he does a pretty good job.

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The Weid got 6 hit outs not 2 that's not bad for a second ruck.

[titan_uranus 25,255]

Nice to finally get a 10+ goal win. The percentage boost is important.

With the enormous inside 50 discrepancy though, we should have won by more. That’s not to detract from the positives but +40 inside 50s should result in more than +69 points.

Need to keep focused and take the same approach to Carlton and the G. We haven’t been +3 in the W-L ledger since 2011. A win next week puts us at 6-3.

[chook fowler 19,783]

Harmes and ANB made a fool of me. 

[deanox 10,070]

  On 12/05/2018 at 12:20, WERRIDEE said:

Pedo can't ruck, but he is better around the ground.

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This is only true if Pedo works well with Hogan and TMac.

I'm starting to wonder if Weid is playing the decoy 3rd tall role better than Pedo would, staying out of the way of the others, dragging defenders out of the way and openimg up space.

Either that (or possibly as well as that) it seems the players don't trust him just yet.  He isn't often used even when leading, with the preference being tho kick to others. Perhaps the coaches are with his work rate and patterns and are giving time for the rest of the team to get used to kicking to where he'll be.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,468]

  On 12/05/2018 at 11:24, Colin B. Flaubert said:

The Weed is a confidence player. Simple.

I saw two pieces of play early on where many other players would have had a ping tonight. Weed, be it through being team first or more likely having no trust in himself, went for the handball when he could have had a shot. From that point, he went further into his shell.

I'm not sure what it will take for him to get a strut in his step. All I know is that he isn't a spud.

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Im pretty sure same thing has happened last 2 week as well, has an opportunity in F50 but instead of having a snap handballs it off to a player in a worse position. They're not gimme goals but they're worth having a crack at for an AFL forward. Hopefully once he does get the confidence to back himself we see why the coaches persist ala Oscar in defence.

[chook fowler 19,783]

It’s a thing of beauty watching max tapping to Brayshaw and him breaking clear.

[What 18,810]

Just for reference we are a game ahead of the same time last season.

http://finalsiren.com/AFLLadder.asp?AFLLadderTypeID=1&SeasonID=2017&Round=8-1

[bing181 9,474]

  On 12/05/2018 at 11:46, Big Demon said:

No need to go over emo on me WB, I have in the past been critised for defending Salem but he was not overly effective today.

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BEST

Melbourne: T.McDonald, Harmes, Oliver, Gawn, Salem, Brayshaw

[Dr. Gonzo 24,468]

  On 12/05/2018 at 11:32, Wiseblood said:

Goodwin:

"They seem to be functioning well together," Goodwin said.

"They can all play deep and they can all play up the ground.

"I think that gives us flexibility in terms of how we want to structure up our forward line and flexibility in who we use in the ruck.

That's a fair indication that Weideman 'aint getting dropped.

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It seemed early in the game Weed was playing deep forward, Hogan roaming half forward, TMac wing and Gawn ruck. That was when we were smashing the I50s for little reward. Once TMac went deep forward it straightened us up. Not sure where Weed went to but he didn't have much impact.

I want him to succeed but at the moment you'd have to think he is only in the seniors by the skin of his teeth.

[Willmoy1947 4,261]

  On 12/05/2018 at 09:43, jumbo returns said:

He's certainly carbed up since he's stopped playing!

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Come to think of it, Goodwyn looks like the only AFL Coach that has taken it off since he started.....

[Willmoy1947 4,261]

  On 12/05/2018 at 10:00, FlashInThePan said:

Super happy with that win and the improvement that I have seen over the year. Viney back next week and another big step forward for this group. Hopefully even demonlanders can be happy with where this is headed and enjoy the ride. Both of this site's favourite whipping boys produced pretty good performances (Harmes was virtually BOG), not sure who is going to have to make way for Viney now.

 

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Watts hardly got a kick...

[puntkick 325]

Old dee get off the Weeds case , you are just showing yourself to be so old fashioned

I look forward to seeing him and Oscar celebrating together well into the future

[Willmoy1947 4,261]

  On 12/05/2018 at 12:10, shorty said:

Yep a team player still young and learning, as opposed to Trac who thinks he's played 300 games, could have passed the ball when on the boundary the body language of the players knew he would not pass it, I don't like that, wouldn't hurt him to have a week at Casey.( Needs to pull his head in)

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Bit harsh, but i noticed it too. Seems like he got a rev in the last qtr. Trac has it all, but maybe his finger needs to get better and stop listening to the BS that Watson and co tell him, and how much they think he is worth at scumland or anywhere else for that matter....

[WERRIDEE 5,641]

  On 12/05/2018 at 13:57, willmoy said:

Watts hardly got a kick...

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13 disposals and no goals he'd would be dropped if he was at Melbourne.

We don't miss him at all Fritsch has been more than a handy replacement.

[Willmoy1947 4,261]

  On 12/05/2018 at 13:38, chook fowler said:

It’s a thing of beauty watching max tapping to Brayshaw and him breaking clear.

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Notice which side he seems to run to Chook , and loses them as well, real smart...

[Fork 'em 7,052]

Wasn't long ago that folks were screaming for OMacs head every week.
Now he's killing it.
The Weid might need the same patience.

 

[chook fowler 19,783]

Jones and Lewis have been immense the past 3 weeks. lewis’  decision making and disposal efficiency is elite. Salem has been in great form and the game plan has been a revelation. I think Goodwin has answered his critics.

[Willmoy1947 4,261]

  On 12/05/2018 at 14:52, chook fowler said:

Jones and Lewis have been immense the past 3 weeks. lewis’  decision making and disposal efficiency is elite. Salem has been in great form and the game plan has been a revelation. I think Goodwin has answered his critics.

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Pretty much sums up the three weeks and it gets a bit harder, faster and meaner from next week.

[binman 44,856]

  On 12/05/2018 at 14:36, Fork 'em said:

Wasn't long ago that folks were screaming for OMacs head every week.
Now he's killing it.
The Weid might need the same patience.

 

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I have read a number of variations on this theme. But i'm calling #omac myths.

Maybe in his first season Omac got games to get time into him but last year all the games he got were because he earned them.

Lets not fall into the trap of allowing the Omac haters to rewrite history.

[puntkick 325]

  On 12/05/2018 at 14:52, chook fowler said:

Jones and Lewis have been immense the past 3 weeks. lewis’  decision making and disposal efficiency is elite. Salem has been in great form and the game plan has been a revelation. I think Goodwin has answered his critics.

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guess we'll see next week eh ?

[Rob Mac...... 643]

It’s great to be winning games we’re supposed to win for the first time in how many years?!

[Gorgoroth 13,220]

  On 12/05/2018 at 12:42, jnrmac said:

He didn't have a lot of stats but at half time he had run 7.5km the second most on the ground behind Hogan who also hadn't done much at that point.

When players are running and spreading its a good thing. It creates space. And even if they don't get the ball they take a player with them.

You don't know what Weid's instructions are. Its possible he is being told to roam up hte ground and take a key player out with him. The fact he keeps getting picked suggests they like the flexibility he offers. And as a backup ruckman he does a pretty good job.

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Also was never outmarked, always halved the contest, Gawn spoilt the ball out of his hands just outside the square at one point but of his 6 possessions 4 were score involvements. I am happy with what he is bringing at the moment, when you listen to the great forwards, Dunstall, Carey, Brereton etc on how long it took them to feel comfortable at the elite level then realise how much easier and simplistic their roles were I think Weed is doing some nice things.

I did say in the game thread that I think he needs to be a bit more selfish, twice he gave the ball off when the shot was rightfully his to take.

We know the ceiling with pedders, we don’t with Weed.