Collingwood vs Melbourne

[Diamond_Jim 12,778]

No doubt Collingwood is playing slightly above expectations but I am still confident that the season will bring joy for us all in that respect.

 

[Willmoy1947 4,261]

  On 30/04/2018 at 21:29, stevethemanjordan said:

Collingwood have a plethora of injuries and were down two men before the last quarter even started.

They did a lot better than us given we had almost a full squad to choose from and we had another quarter where we decided not to show up which has been the case for how long now?

Pretty obvious to me as to why we were criticised and Collingwood were praised.

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Your comments are warranted, and, without using "but", i would place Treloar's value to Pies at least as much as Viney to us for sheer ferocity, BALL SPEED and momentum. WE will see 4 games hence.........

[deesrule 104]

I don't know if this has been mentioned in another thread but the crowd size Richmond vs Collingwood was 72,000  on a lovely Melbourne afternoon with both teams supporters at their feral best,hardly a mention whereas our Anzac eve match on a drizzly night of 77,000 was counted as disappointing.

 

[Diamond_Jim 12,778]

  On 01/05/2018 at 01:49, deesrule said:

I don't know if this has been mentioned in another thread but the crowd size Richmond vs Collingwood was 72,000  on a lovely Melbourne afternoon with both teams supporters at their feral best,hardly a mention whereas our Anzac eve match on a drizzly night of 77,000 was counted as disappointing.

 

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the crowd for the Anzac day match is reported at 91,440

https://afltables.com/afl/crowds/2018.html

 

PS... wait ... something strange the game is reported twice and there is another entry for 72k

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[The Chazz 4,077]

  On 30/04/2018 at 23:07, Franky_31 said:

I heard Terry Wallace say that Hardwicke had held Cotchin and Dusty on the bench for many minutes in the 1st 3 quarters of the games against Melbourne and Collingwood. Plough went on to say that they were "unleashed" in the last quarters. I cant find the last qtr stats to back it up but I like listening to Plough.

Nonetheless Richmond have surprisingly good last quarters.

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Franky, I know you won't lose sleep over this, but the bolded part has seen you dead to me as a poster.

[Thrice 216]

  On 01/05/2018 at 01:59, The Chazz said:

Franky, I know you won't lose sleep over this, but the bolded part has seen you dead to me as a poster.

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Does it help that this use of Dusty and Cotchin was first noticed by Daisy Pearce last week?

[DubDee 26,709]

Hilarious that the pies are now thought to be a very good team when they were almost bottom 4 candidates 3 weeks ago. They have no decent key forwards, their kids and manic pressure is holding up for now, but won't last long. their defence is well, terrible - jumper puncher Dunn a mainstay!

dont be surprised if they lose away to the lions this weekend

[beelzebub 23,392]

  On 01/05/2018 at 03:28, Thrice said:

Does it help that this use of Dusty and Cotchin was first noticed by Daisy Pearce last week?

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She's very very switched on regarding plans, styles, tactics etc.

( But please find a new couturier )

[billyblanks29 184]

AFL app shows GlennLuffs inside 50 numbers to be wrong....we had 47 to Collingwood's 51...

[daisycutter 30,021]

  On 30/04/2018 at 22:47, beelzebub said:

Cheese is invariably softer....our gane a bit Swiss too.

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and chalk is notoriously brittle, bub. take your pick eh?

[beelzebub 23,392]

  On 01/05/2018 at 05:21, daisycutter said:

and chalk is notoriously brittle, bub. take your pick eh?

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Whilst chalk can leave its mark against harder opponents ?

cheese will melt well grilled.

Chalk whilst soft can offer quite some resistance to inclement weather. Cheese just shrivels up and goes off. 

We appeared less like chalk in the game ( R )

[monoccular 17,760]

  On 30/04/2018 at 22:02, beelzebub said:

There's something to this, and i agree largely but the annoyance is that until we seemed to hoist up the flag ( and it most certainly looked like it ) we were inthe game and had pushed then far harder than i thought we might.

That said...i can see the difference between us and Pies against Richmond. This only too well fits the popular narrative. ( Where would we be btw these days talking.... without "narrative" ?)

Had we played the Tiges as we did Ess this would be a different flavoured discussion. But we didn't.

Until we step up.... we're whipping boys. 

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Until we learn to play four quarters week in, week out, we will not be respected or feared. 

  On 30/04/2018 at 22:49, beelzebub said:

Not that you ever can. But had we had sundays team playing the 2nd half style I suspect Riewoldt would be modifying his 'narrative'

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But we didn’t. 

  On 30/04/2018 at 23:14, Rusty Nails said:

There will always be bias for as long as we are in the premiership wilderness.  

This applies to the fixture, prime time / friday night exposure and issues like the one raised in this thread.

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Yes. Like Carlton has really earned all these prime time games?

Maybe someone needs to go through Gil’s garbage bin looking for empty brown paper Visy bags. 

[Demon Dynasty 17,169]

  On 01/05/2018 at 06:02, monoccular said:

Until we learn to play four quarters week in, week out, we will not be respected or feared. 

But we didn’t. 

Yes. Like Carlton has really earned all these prime time games?

Maybe someone needs to go through Gil’s garbage bin looking for empty brown paper Visy bags. 

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You might not be too far away on that Mono.  The Blues haven't been in the wilderness as long and no doubt still have some friends and pull in powerful places, whereas much of our old influential business people and power brokers from our last successful era have long since moved on to greener pastures.

[Diamond_Jim 12,778]

  On 01/05/2018 at 07:57, Rusty Nails said:

You might not be too far away on that Mono.  The Blues haven't been in the wilderness as long and no doubt still have some friends and pull in powerful places, whereas much of our old influential business people and power brokers from our last successful era have long since moved on to greener pastures.

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Not sure that cemeteries are so green but I agree with the sentiment.

One other advantage the Blues have is that they are dying in the AFL era whereas we died in the dog eat dog environment of the club era.

[Maxwell Edison MD 143]

I have nothing clever or insightful to say, but f__k I HATE Collingwood.

[Little Goffy 14,975]

I'm not too fussed about it, though it is definitely daft.

Fact is, Collingwood are getting the condescending pat on the head for trying while we are getting the 'come on you can do better'.

Kind of how the football world should be.

[At Least I Saw a Flag 5,354]

  On 01/05/2018 at 09:35, Maxwell Edison MD said:

I have nothing clever or insightful to say, but f__k I HATE Collingwood.

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I hate the filth ...

[H_T 3,049]

  On 30/04/2018 at 22:47, beelzebub said:

Cheese is invariably softer....our gane a bit Swiss too.

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I think some of the pundits with their cheese platters in the members may beg to differ.

[buck_nekkid 6,103]

  On 01/05/2018 at 09:35, Maxwell Edison MD said:

I have nothing clever or insightful to say, but f__k I HATE Collingwood.

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That is both clever and insightful.

[junk 342]

The perception is that we the Dees are expected to do better than Collingwood,thou both sides were blown away by the Tiges in the last quarter. So we will cop "crap" from the media and supporters ( who are of little importance these days) for under performing,the Woods will get less flack.  We also don't have the "cattle" to match Richmond at this point in time. Perhaps that's what you get being a Dee supporter.

[D4Life 2,584]

Just having TMac back in the team made a big difference.

Our backline started to look a little better in structure, Jetta, Hibberd and Lever started to find some form, OMac continued his improvement.

We looked good in the third, Max giving Jones & Brayshaw some taps into space.

The forward line worked well together, and pressured the Bomber defence when the ball was in our forward area.

Once Viney is back and Petracca, and if we win the next three games, you will see a team playing with some confidence.

Then we can see what we really can do, and how we stack up against the Pies and the rest.

Another good win is what we need this weekend, 5 goals plus would be great!

[pitmaster 3,592]

The Pies performance against Rmond was aided  by really deplorable goal kicking from the Tiges in the first quarter who could have led four goals to zip but instead made it four points to zip.

The Pies always looked up against it, as we did, and worked hard, as we did. The post game hype had more to do with pre-season expectations (and selling the Hun).

[beelzebub 23,392]

  On 02/05/2018 at 23:25, pitmaster said:

The Pies performance against Rmond was aided  by really deplorable goal kicking from the Tiges in the first quarter who could have led four goals to zip but instead made it four points to zip.

The Pies always looked up against it, as we did, and worked hard, as we did. The post game hype had more to do with pre-season expectations (and selling the Hun).

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The Toiges also kept us in it in the 1st Qtr. Similarly had they kicked true...all over red rover.

Despite what others may think I reckon the comparison of ours and Collingwood's efforts is worth looking at. They tried to play THEIR game...god knows what we were doing other than British Bulldogs/Rolling Scrum !! 

The Pies didn't fall for the trap of having TOO many at the contest. I think this is a flawed tactic of ours. The Pies had the fat side better protected and open for their own use. We clogged it up. ( Not the fat side...just the contest...we allowed Richmond easy passage )

We didn't seem to quite so much against Ess...but it was only Ess.

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[binman 44,856]

I don't really care but we were tipped by many pre season to be a top 4 chance and the pies to struggle to make the 8.

The response has to be seen in that context.

[Diamond_Jim 12,778]

  On 02/05/2018 at 23:49, beelzebub said:

The Toiges also kept us in it in the 1st Qtr. Similarly had they kicked true...all over red rover.

Despite what others may think I reckon the comparison of ours and Collingwood's efforts is worth looking at. They tried to play THEIR game...god knows what we were doing other than British Bulldogs/Rolling Scrum !! 

The Pies didn't fall for the trap of having TOO many at the contest. I think this is a flawed tactic of ours. The Pies had the fat side better protected and open for their own use. We clogged it up. ( Not the fat side...just the contest...we allowed Richmond easy passage )

We didn't seem to quite so much against Ess...but it was only Ess.

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Like most I don't have any soft spot for the Pies but I must admit liking their style back in the Hafey days. Anyway you cannot complain about the commitment that coaches get from their teams when they play for the Pies. Wish I could have said the same about Melbourne over the last 50 years.

In reality we should be at least a solid rung above them... ie a second quartile team pushing for a top 4 spot with them as a third quartile team.

Sadly it isn't looking that way at present