Coburg Lions v Casey Scorpions - VFL Round 1

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30 minutes ago, bing181 said:

Maybe. But one of the reasons being put forward here for not promoting Weideman is that he had it easy on the weekend, so we can't really judge his form.

But if indeed he's finding it too easy at VFL level, then surely a) that's not going to help his development and b) by definition, he's earned the right to play at a higher level?

huh?  coburg (and frankston) are patently not vfl-standard clubs

it is just impossible to draw definitive indications of form (other than some aspects) from such games 

let's see how weids goes against a vfl level side such as werribee this week

[KC from Casey 7,133]

16 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

What's wrong with Hutchins?

 Coming back from injury.

[Dee Zephyr 19,269]

2 hours ago, ProDee said:

What was his speed and agility like ?  His ability to change direction, etc. ?

From what I observed PD he moved well. I might have even posted during the match that he crumbed a ball of the deck and instinctively used his left foot and hit a teammate in the goal square with a 40 metre bullet of a pass. If he possesses traits like this he might just develop nicely. 

Edited April 10, 2018 by Demon77

[WERRIDEE 5,575]

1 hour ago, KC from Casey said:

 Coming back from injury.

How long is he out for?

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7 hours ago, ProDee said:

If you weren't there I'd like to know how you know he kicked 5 "easy" goals.  You may be right, btw, but I also didn't see the game and haven't automatically drawn the same conclusion.  You may have information I'm not privy to.

As for his set shots ?  I too wish we saw how he got them.  He had 2 free kicks, but we don't know if they're from them.  He could have got them when he was rucking, or in the F50.  He also took 4 contested marks, which was the most taken by any player for the day, so they could have come from those, or they could have been from a mark on the lead.  He only took one uncontested mark for the day, so only one would have come from a lead - if at all.  Tim Smith took 3 contested marks, which was the second most on the ground.

I'm not so interested in his pressure acts.  I'll let the coaches worry or coach that side of things.  I'm interested in his size.  Is he noticeably bigger in person.  I believe he is.  How was he moving ?  Does he look more agile now his ankles are finally right ?  What was his speed like ?  How did he compete in the contest ?  Was he aggressive ?   

Those aspects interest me far more, because they'll tell me whether he has AFL attributes.  I didn't like the way he was moving last year.  If that's markedly better I'm excited for what lies ahead.

Valid question, it was more in relation to the quality of the opposition and playing against what appeared to be smaller opponents in an extremely open forward line. 

I agree his movement was/is a major issue and have my fingers crossed for a significant improvement in this area.

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4 hours ago, bing181 said:

Maybe. But one of the reasons being put forward here for not promoting Weideman is that he had it easy on the weekend, so we can't really judge his form.

But if indeed he's finding it too easy at VFL level, then surely a) that's not going to help his development and b) by definition, he's earned the right to play at a higher level?

It's not form... it's just one game.

Lets see him build a platform of good games.   One that he can launch from, & re-land on, if need be.

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3 hours ago, Demon77 said:

From what I observed PD he moved well. I might have even posted during the match that he crumbed a ball of the deck and instinctively used his left foot and hit a teammate in the goal square with a 40 metre bullet of a pass.

 

If he possesses traits like this he might just develop nicely. 

And the wait will be very much worthwhile.

[Dee Zephyr 19,269]

It could well be @DV8, it was moments like that where one goes “wow, I wasn’t expecting that”.

The other big “wow” was Petty, but still early days for him. 

Edited April 10, 2018 by Demon77

[DV8 2,271]

22 minutes ago, Demon77 said:

It could well be @DV8, it was moments like that where one goes “wow, I wasn’t expecting that”.

The other big “wow” was Petty, but still early days for him. 

... and the same WoW over this club, the way it's finally developing it's players, to become the best they cab be... and they are starting to become, something,,, better then we were before.  better than at least 27 years.

 

And we are just at the lower rungs of our development, as a club, as a list, and our players individually.

 

I am so glad the club has announced progress towards a training facility, where the whole lot of this place can come together in unison.

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Numerous posters reported on gameday that Brayshaw was being heavily tagged.

It turns out he was doing the tagging.  Confirmed by Chaplin on the Melbourne podcast.

[old dee 24,003]

21 minutes ago, ProDee said:

Numerous posters reported on gameday that Brayshaw was being heavily tagged.

It turns out he was doing the tagging.  Confirmed by Chaplin on the Melbourne podcast.

That might have been Casey's intention PD. But I think Coburg had the same plan. His opponent was over him like a rash in the first half.

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1 minute ago, old dee said:

That might have been Casey's intention PD. But I think Coburg had the same plan. His opponent was over him like a rash in the first half.

You'd best listen to the podcast and hear how he was given a "new role" and that he didn't use his ball getting instincts early, because he was too focussed on stopping his opponent.  It was said he got the balance right after quarter time.

It was clear who the tagger was, Old.

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42 minutes ago, ProDee said:

Numerous posters reported on gameday that Brayshaw was being heavily tagged.

It turns out he was doing the tagging.  Confirmed by Chaplin on the Melbourne podcast.

Interesting, I saw Gus getting held onto off the ball and at stoppages early in the game a couple of times and I automatically thought he was the one getting tagged. 

Thanks for clarifying PD.

Edited April 11, 2018 by Demon77

[Deemania since 56 6,763]

On 09/04/2018 at 11:37 AM, ProDee said:

Pedersen can only play as an onball short ruckman to be effective at AFL level

Pedo has played commendably for us for quite a few years now, as most people observe. He is a consistent asset to the team and many of the good results of the past. To say that '... he can only play as an on-ball short ruckman to be effective ... ' is very wrong. Try saying that to his face. 

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47 minutes ago, Deemania since 56 said:

Pedo has played commendably for us for quite a few years now, as most people observe. He is a consistent asset to the team and many of the good results of the past. To say that '... he can only play as an on-ball short ruckman to be effective ... ' is very wrong. Try saying that to his face. 

He's a failed key forward who has never kicked more than 3 goals in a game.  And he hasn't done that often.

When he's used in the ruck he can be a very effective "follower", but with Gawn in the team we don't need him for that.

Take up football.

PS if he asked me I'd happily give him my assessment.  I don't see it happening.

[Drunkn167 5,093]

Nice article about Hutchy http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2018-04-11/hutchins-hike-from-coast-to-casey

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2 hours ago, ProDee said:

Numerous posters reported on gameday that Brayshaw was being heavily tagged.

It turns out he was doing the tagging.  Confirmed by Chaplin on the Melbourne podcast.

I wonder whether they're thinking Mitchell this week. 

[Drunkn167 5,093]

On 4/11/2018 at 8:21 PM, A F said:

I wonder whether they're thinking Mitchell this week. 

You'd think Bernie would get that job if they were gonna tag him though

[Adam The God 30,614]

2 minutes ago, Drunkn167 said:

You'd think Bernie would get that job if they were gonna tag him though

Bernie is just about done for mine. I'd be trying Brayshaw or head to head with Oliver.

[DV8 2,271]

14 minutes ago, Drunkn167 said:

You'd think Bernie would get that job if they were gonna tag him though

Yes, Or Bernie goes to O'Meara. or vica-verca with Angus, if Angus gets called on.

[Adam The God 30,614]

34 minutes ago, DV8 said:

Yes, Or Bernie goes to O'Meara. or vica-verca with Angus, if Angus gets called on.

I wouldn't tag O'Meara and fortunately Clarkson won't tag Oliver. So I only see us potentially tagging Mitchell. You'r right. It will come down to Bernie or Angus.

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20 minutes ago, A F said:

I wouldn't tag O'Meara and fortunately Clarkson won't tag Oliver. So I only see us potentially tagging Mitchell. You'r right. It will come down to Bernie or Angus.

I don't mind the alternative, of Oliver going head to head with Mitchell. I'd back Oliver's tenacity, for sure.  If he keeps Mitchell on a tight leash.

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38 minutes ago, DV8 said:

I don't mind the alternative, of Oliver going head to head with Mitchell. I'd back Oliver's tenacity, for sure.  If he keeps Mitchell on a tight leash.

Yep, it's who has more damage. Their pace on the outside (if Mitchell is allowed to release them) could be very damaging. Clarry is a great tackler though. 

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12 minutes ago, A F said:

Yep, it's who has more damage. Their pace on the outside (if Mitchell is allowed to release them) could be very damaging. Clarry is a great tackler though. 

Thats what i''m thinking Re the leash.

It would mean Clarry has to play without as much freedom and creativity, with other stuff a must to focus on. I'm not sure how that would effect his game?

Bernie is accustomed to the role, but maybe O'Meara is more his type of opponent?  O'Meara would also have to cover Bernie, when he has the ball.

Maybe the buggster is the key, to bother Mitchell ?

 

...

would you use Angus on O'Meara?

Maybe that's why they apparently used Angus to tag in the VFL... to see IF he can be a tagger?

I'm not convinced Re Angus yet, for these match-ups.

I'd prefer Dion in, to utilise around the Hawks smalls.

Edited April 11, 2018 by DV8

[KC from Casey 7,133]

On 10/04/2018 at 7:38 PM, WERRIDEE said:

How long is he out for?

I think he’s due back in the next week or so.

Hutchins’ hike from Coast to Casey