Jarrad McVeigh

[Wiseblood 24,637]

6 minutes ago, Bon appetit said:

Tom Rockliff?

He doesn't do much for me either, in that he is not the type of player we need.  We need a key defender and, potentially, some outside run as well (if we can get it).  Rockliff gives us neither.

[Red and Blue realist 2,051]

Honestly, we need to stop papering over the leadership cracks, which is what I think the club has started to do with Viney being made co-captain. Until Gawn, Tracc, the Macs, Watts, Oliver and even Hogan are seen as the true leaders of the club (I'm including Chunk and Viney as the top of that group) then there's no point in bringing in another guy for their 'leadership qualities'. We got Lewis for an empty pack of chips and he provides the same sort of player/leadership.

As some have said we can't have another ex-mid going to the half back line without making us too slow. If Vince was to retire or the plan was to play him purely as either a tagger or forward (and at Casey) then McVeigh might work, again if he costs us nothing, but he's only a stop gap solution in both his playing future and leadership. 

[Red and Blue realist 2,051]

10 hours ago, mattjm said:

stewart crameri??? would add another dimension. not sure about his fwd 50 defensive pressure though...

we evidently lack long targets in the 50 when jesse pushes high up on the wings...

discuss

Crameri has been talked about coming to us on other forums, not sure if it's just because of the Essendon/Goodwin connection, but he's just spent a year off then another year mostly injured. I'd say he's very very similar to Tim Smith and not sure he'd add much to the AFL team.

[beelzebub 23,348]

J McV ..if fit ??

I believe as others he's pretty cooked ..so No.

Would have loved what he would bring...but No

[Jibroni 5,003]

1 hour ago, Wiseblood said:

He doesn't do much for me either, in that he is not the type of player we need.  We need a key defender and, potentially, some outside run as well (if we can get it).  Rockliff gives us neither.

I agree a key defender is a priority. Anyone out of Lever, Roberts or Adams (Bulldogs) or a player of that ilk would be a good start.

I think we keep our first pick and draft a quality mid. 

[Wiseblood 24,637]

Just now, Jibroni said:

I agree a key defender is a priority. Anyone out of Lever, Roberts or Adams (Bulldogs) or a player of that ilk would be a good start.

I think we keep our first pick and draft a quality mid. 

If we can hold on to our first pick and still get Lever then we've made out like bandits, and that's assuming we don't give up someone of quality as well.

If we get Lever then I think we can say goodbye to our first rounder.  Crows will want that as a minimum IMO.

Still, there is always some gold to be found in the later rounds and Taylor has proven that he can find it.

[beelzebub 23,348]

4 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

If we can hold on to our first pick and still get Lever then we've made out like bandits, and that's assuming we don't give up someone of quality as well.

If we get Lever then I think we can say goodbye to our first rounder.  Crows will want that as a minimum IMO.

Still, there is always some gold to be found in the later rounds and Taylor has proven that he can find it.

The only thing that crosses my mind is we get Lever....and a convoluted exchange of picks. Which of course means its not done in first 5 mins of Circus season.

Be interesting to see hoe JMcV plays out finals. Sydney aren't particularly renown for giving up useful players. So for mine. If hes gettable i don't want him...as he won't be 100% 

[Wiseblood 24,637]

8 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

The only thing that crosses my mind is we get Lever....and a convoluted exchange of picks. Which of course means its not done in first 5 mins of Circus season.

Yep, agree with that.  Crows will want to play hard ball and it will take a fortnight to get done.

[dl4e 5,851]

Too old

[pineapple dee 2,892]

11 hours ago, mattjm said:

stewart crameri??? would add another dimension. not sure about his fwd 50 defensive pressure though...

we evidently lack long targets in the 50 when jesse pushes high up on the wings...

discuss

Injury affected season and likely to become more so.  Not enough value even for one season.

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

Is this the MFC version of the "messiah complex"?

Carlton got in Judd. Got 'em nowhere. Suns got in Ablett. got 'em nowhere. Many other examples over many years.

 

MFC get in someone to magically fix up our soft doughy minds?

 

Vince hasn't done it.

Lewis hasn't done it.

 

How about we look from within to find and fix the problem. One more "mental messiah" isn't going to do it.

[Demon_JB 1,385]

Lachie Hansen as a delisted free agent? Turned 29 only a few weeks ago, led intercept marks from 2014-2016. Could be good depth for us and allow T mac to stay forward with Lever potentially coming in also?

 

 

[DubDee 25,839]

McVeigh is a very good player, had an injury interrupted year so if he has the legs I would be keen in a year (or two) contract and then keeping him on a coach. He need foot skills and clean hands at the back and leadership of course. I think he could do a job.

you can see how Lewis stood up when the whips were cracking in the last few rounds and few around him did. leadership and mental strength is sill a big gap for us, especially down back. Hunt, Wagner etc would learn a lot

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,503]

1 hour ago, juzzk1d said:

Lachie Hansen as a delisted free agent? Turned 29 only a few weeks ago, led intercept marks from 2014-2016. Could be good depth for us and allow T mac to stay forward with Lever potentially coming in also?

 

 

I must admit I haven't watched a single Nth match this year... showed a bit of promise in the past though.

[praha 11,240]

4 hours ago, Demons11 said:

Jones and Viney are great leaders.  You're bashing Jones based on the last game of the season.  

Jones and Viney were massive in many games this year.  

If that were the case we wouldn't have needed to get Vince, Cross, Lewis over the years. Especially not Lewis. 

[Redleg 40,895]

14 hours ago, 64" said:

Melbourne Geriatric Club.All those over the hill and the next  Welcome !!!

The veteran we could maybe squeeze into the side wears number 23 for the Swans.

[Fat Tony 5,228]

I like the idea of veterans on one year contracts. They provide good value from a salary cap perspective and don't cost anything in draft picks.

On McVeigh, I would want to see how he plays in the finals, but he is still a very good player, albeit injury prone. Other similar players maybe worthy of discussion are David Mundy, Kade Simpson and Leigh Montagna.

[CityDee 738]

Another in the Hibberd or Melkshem bracket would do nicely a midfielder . 

[beelzebub 23,348]

need a good meat and 3 veg outside running mid who CAN kick a ball  each and every time where it's supposed to go.

Not much to ask Melbourne...  Don't need to be a household name ( yet ) ...just  a goer

[trout 385]

I dont mind the idea for one year but again would be hard to see him playing along side Vince and Lewis. I also dont mind the idea of trying to talk Luke Hodge out of retirement for one year plus a coaching role after that. One of the greatest leaders of all time, surly could help out in selected key matches.

[Demons11 7,007]

1 hour ago, praha said:

If that were the case we wouldn't have needed to get Vince, Cross, Lewis over the years. Especially not Lewis. 

What a crock of [censored].  So just because you have good leaders at a club that means you stop recruiting older players who can benefit the team? 

Burgoyne, Lake and Gibson from the Hawks said to say hello

[beelzebub 23,348]

5 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

Yep, agree with that.  Crows will want to play hard ball and it will take a fortnight to get done.

all but down to the wire stuff to extract the highest coin from us.

[praha 11,240]

1 hour ago, Demons11 said:

What a crock of [censored].  So just because you have good leaders at a club that means you stop recruiting older players who can benefit the team? 

Burgoyne, Lake and Gibson from the Hawks said to say hello

Except they weren't brought to the club in their twilight, and they weren't brought over as mentors. They all arrived as depth to what was already an exceptionally talented side. We got Cross and Lewis over for the sole purpose of providing leadership. Which is my point about it saying a lot about the experienced leaders already at the club.

Edited August 30, 2017 by praha

[Demons11 7,007]

2 minutes ago, praha said:

Except they weren't brought to the club in their twilight, and they weren't brought over as mentors. They all arrived as depth to what was already an exceptionally talented side. We got Cross and Lewis over for the sole purpose of providing leadership. Which is my point about it saying a lot about the experienced leaders already at the club.

We got Lewis because of his football ability first and foremost.   He came 2nd in the exceptional teams b&f the year before he came to us. 

[praha 11,240]

1 hour ago, Demons11 said:

We got Lewis because of his football ability first and foremost.   He came 2nd in the exceptional teams b&f the year before he came to us. 

Yeah but that doesn't really dismiss my point.