2 hours ago, Petraccattack said:

The players are there to perform and to win, and to bring us joy.

I do not care about them personally, and could care less about the kind of people they are. If I see a Melbourne player walking down the street, I could not care less.  I dont care who you are or if you're a top bloke or if you volunteer outside of footy .

I would be happy with a team of psychopaths and murderers if they won games and we played finals every season.

Hmmmmm a team of Dustys in motorcycle colours

Would like to se that

58 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

A real answer      if the players or coaches knew the answer, the 1st quarter wouldn't have happened

Nerves, choking, expecting another team mate to lift, all of the above

This topic is, in my humble opinion, a joke, there is no disconnect, the players failed on this occasion Why? Who the [censored] knows

If supporters think our players are not trying to win that is a disconnect.

You know they are trying, I think they are trying but if others dont you have to respect their opinions. 

53 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

You just accept

you wouldn't bother to find out because you won't rock the boat on your social outing

Same as when Neeld was in charge, You Satyr just accepted whoever was in charge and took them at their word. 

There are Answers to Saturday's debacle and it is paramount they are all exposed and purged from the club once and for all. 

Fair point. But you are being a tad rough on Saty. Maybe, he takes the time out of his own day to go straight to the source to get his answers.  

Membership is just a revenue source to the club.  That is all we are, and in turn we pay to be entertained.  Like a bad show you get no refund when the entertainment is bad.

Players have been removed from all supporters, this started when the AFL centralized home grounds.  As soon as the game is finished we have no where to go to interact with the players.

Players to their credit are involved in a number of community programs, but engaging members is limited. 

Sounds like some DL'ers should apply

3 hours ago, DaveyDee said:

If supporters think our players are not trying to win that is a disconnect.

You know they are trying, I think they are trying but if others dont you have to respect their opinions. 

Fair point. But you are being a tad rough on Saty. Maybe, he takes the time out of his own day to go straight to the source to get his answers.  

I am sure Satyr believes what he is told, that is not always wise.  

The MFC repeats its failings far more than any other club within the AFL. 

1 hour ago, the rolling fog said:

Sounds like some DL'ers should apply

Id like to understand exactly what the criteria for engagement is and how it's measured

1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I am sure Satyr believes what he is told, that is not always wise.  

The MFC repeats its failings far more than any other club within the AFL. 

So do you old son, you are like a broken record, you need to get out more Actually had a chat to a couple of players so know exactly how they are feeling

6 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

So do you old son, you are like a broken record, you need to get out more Actually had a chat to a couple of players so know exactly how they are feeling

Actions speak louder than words Saty, and for far too long our club has talked the talk but not walked the walk.

9 hours ago, Petraccattack said:

The players are there to perform and to win, and to bring us joy.

I do not care about them personally, and could care less about the kind of people they are. If I see a Melbourne player walking down the street, I could not care less.  I dont care who you are or if you're a top bloke or if you volunteer outside of footy .

I would be happy with a team of psychopaths and murderers if they won games and we played finals every season.

My sentiments exactly. 

32 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

So do you old son, you are like a broken record, you need to get out more Actually had a chat to a couple of players so know exactly how they are feeling

I am always out and about doing my thing Satyr. Words get hollow when this club disgraces itself at least once a year. 

The players get paid regardless....

1 hour ago, Satyriconhome said:

So do you old son, you are like a broken record, you need to get out more Actually had a chat to a couple of players so know exactly how they are feeling

So what did you learn Saty? Aside from being disappointed do they feel they know where some answers lie? 

1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I am always out and about doing my thing Satyr. Words get hollow when this club disgraces itself at least once a year. 

The players get paid regardless....

Oh right, so everybody who gets paid to do a job, does it at 100% every time    meh

2 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Oh right, so everybody who gets paid to do a job, does it at 100% every time    meh

That's the best answer you've got?

Toddle off Satyr....

Surely some of our players were thinking about the extra 2 weeks they'd have to work. It's their job, they are getting paid either way, they were rewarded with longer holiday time to get away from such scrutiny 

On 8/28/2017 at 8:25 PM, RalphiusMaximus said:

I go back to something that I think Mark Neeld said.  There are too many players on our list who are happy just to be playing AFL.  They aren't willing to do the extra work to play finals because their personal goal has already been met. 

And his solution to that was to take all the fun out of playing footy and apparently block the goal posts out of each player's mind

56 minutes ago, Je Roos Salem said:

Surely some of our players were thinking about the extra 2 weeks they'd have to work. It's their job, they are getting paid either way, they were rewarded with longer holiday time to get away from such scrutiny 

I wonder if they understand that performing well in finals is a really good way of getting paid a shiteload of money in your next contract.

14 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Id like to understand exactly what the criteria for engagement is and how it's measured

I'm only guessing but I'm sure you could look at some of the following

- % growth in membership re-newed

- % growth in newbie/first time members

- % growth in membership upgrades

- % growth in lapsed/missed year members

- database maintenance, email open rates, response rates for functions 

- quality of strategies to grow all brackets of memberships

- creation of new membership categories

- $ growth in membership contribution to club profits

Very happy to see club has also recognised the disconnect and the need to increase manpower in this vital area. 

Edited August 29, 20178 yr by DaveyDee

My friend knows someone who works at Melbourne and said that people working  at the club have received angry and abusive calls from members regarding the finals booklet in the mail and that there's a real bad vibe around that area of the club and has left workers in tears. Interesting to see the vibe next year. 

14 minutes ago, armstrong35 said:

My friend knows someone who works at Melbourne and said that people working  at the club have received angry and abusive calls from members regarding the finals booklet in the mail and that there's a real bad vibe around that area of the club and has left workers in tears. Interesting to see the vibe next year. 

Oh boo hoo....how tough for them, having to  take complaints. If they don't like it, move on, there are plenty of qualified people who could take up their jobs. Maybe some with a bit of passion. They should have been prepared for a backlash. Idiots

11 minutes ago, armstrong35 said:

My friend knows someone who works at Melbourne and said that people working  at the club have received angry and abusive calls from members regarding the finals booklet in the mail and that there's a real bad vibe around that area of the club and has left workers in tears. Interesting to see the vibe next year. 

That is exceptionally sad. 

It is not their job to be the 'voice' of the club at such a time.  The club should not put them in that position if they have not been trained in crisis management.  This was a crisis for which the whole club seems poorly equipped to deal with.

As to the vibe?  It sounds like the 'Veil of Negativity' that Roos said permeated the whole club has returned with a vengeance.  It certainly has with supporters.

 

Perhaps the club should have had the coaches and leadership team on the phones! 

2 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

That is exceptionally sad. 

It is not their job to be the 'voice' of the club at such a time.  The club should not put them in that position if they have not been trained in crisis management.  This was a crisis for which the whole club seems poorly equipped to deal with.

As to the vibe?  It sounds like the 'Veil of Negativity' that Roos said permeated the whole club has returned with a vengeance.  It certainly has with supporters.

 

Perhaps the club should have had the coaches and leadership team on the phones! 

The 'veil of negativity' is the product of many years of being let down. We are as loyal as they come and we support the club always, but we are negative about the insipid amateur nature of our club at times and its soft underbelly. If we don't demand more and show the frustration, then the club will continue to believe that the mediocrity is acceptable. Its pessimism ...nothing more and we have every right to be pessimistic. Just when we were showing optimism, the players go and get comfortable and shatter the supporters. How else should we feel?

Im still trying to understand the topic of this thread. In some manner it suggests a failure . Of what ?

What IS the ' connect' between these parties supposed to be  ? The players connect to the team, the club. 

We connect to the club. Where is the connection to players. 

I find the supposition odd to tell you the truth.

 

8 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Im still trying to understand the topic of this thread. In some manner it suggests a failure . Of what ?

What IS the ' connect' between these parties supposed to be  ? The players connect to the team, the club. 

We connect to the club. Where is the connection to players. 

I find the supposition odd to tell you the truth.

 

You have my vote bb.

3 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Im still trying to understand the topic of this thread. In some manner it suggests a failure . Of what ?

What IS the ' connect' between these parties supposed to be  ? The players connect to the team, the club. 

We connect to the club. Where is the connection to players. 

I find the supposition odd to tell you the truth.

 

It's in the bathtub I believe.

Obviously it's different if we had won last week but there's not a lot of players that I feel I have a deep connection with and I think that's projected on how much I think they love the club. 

Look at our round 23 team:

From another club: Vince, Lewis, Hibberd, Garlett, Tyson, Melksham even Pedersen

I loved Vince and he embraced the club but now he's kind of done. Pedersen is a fun journeyman who always speaks highly of the club. Hibberd is great to watch but is new. I'm learning to love Melky.

Nagging feeling he might leave: Hogan
Nagging feeling he deeply cares about the club but doesn't care about giving his all on field: Watts
Limited fan/media exposure: ANB, Harmes, Hannan, Salem
Disliked due to playing style: McDonald, T. McDonald, O.
Out of form: Gawn

That leaves me with: Jones, Jetta, Oliver, Brayshaw (limited games), Petracca, Hunt

Jones, Gawn, Watts and Viney are really the heartbeat of the playing group. They are the guys who connect most with fans. If they are out of the team or down on form it's a bit harder to get a strong emotional connection with a lot of the players. Guys like Hogan, Oliver and Petracca I love watching and I hope play for us for a long time and win games and become champions of the club, but we've just had too many young talents slip away.

Make some finals, win some finals, develop stars, lock in consistent players and there will be more love towards and from the players. And for that matter the same thing will occur with the coach.