POST MATCH DISCUSSION - Round 21

[Garbo 1,559]

The 2 sealer goals Hannan got were while Gawn and Longer were off the ground which is concerning.

Edited August 13, 2017 by Garbo

[beelzebub 23,390]

15 minutes ago, pineapple dee said:

Max was strangely umpired out of the ruck contests. After conceding 3 frees in a row at the centre, he looked unwilling to contest the next tap out. Never seen anything like that before. 

He looked less than impressed with it all at a few junctures. Think despite his laughter the umping was plsslng him off big time, as it would !!  It was attrocious

[Forest Demon 4,681]

1 minute ago, Garbo said:

The 2 sealer goals Hannon got where while Gawn and Longer were off the ground which is concerning.

ummm, why?

[old dee 24,028]

11 minutes ago, Luther said:

Very harsh on Weideman IMO. He played his role and competed pretty well. Also showed a physical side I hadn't seen from him so I hope they persevere. He'll be better for the games and will be playing against players more his size against Brisbane. Watts didn't do enough yesterday to warrant a promotion next week.

He had 6 possessions Luther. Bloody woeful as usual. Had the chance to nail up the game in the last quarter but alas kicked true to form.

[danielE288 780]

Both umpires were a disgrace today. Razor Ray especially. Aside from that and the terrible 3rd quarter it was a good team performance, great atmosphere too. 

[—coach— 3,496]

3 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

He looked less than impressed with it all at a few junctures. Think despite his laughter the umping was plsslng him off big time, as it would !!  It was attrocious

I would hope we make the point of asking the head umpire to take us through the new rule that affects the ruck contest that says "If the player is Gawn, then the opposition ruckman shall receive free kick for no obvious reason"

it was a disgraceful display of umpiring in that regard today and it was obvious Gawn held back on even contesting ruck for fear of giving away a free.

[beelzebub 23,390]

1 minute ago, --coach-- said:

I would hope we make the point of asking the head umpire to take us through the new rule that affects the ruck contest that says "If the player is Gawn, then the opposition ruckman shall receive free kick for no obvious reason"

it was a disgraceful display of umpiring in that regard today and it was obvious Gawn held back on even contesting ruck for fear of giving away a free.

At one point he was given a free against for fending off Longer....really ??...wtf 

[At the break of Gawn 4,460]

4 minutes ago, buck_nekkid said:

Did you watch the game?  Applied some really valuable tackles and pressure acts.  Made a contest, followed team rules.  Think he did OK.

Yeah, nah. Only 9 pressure acts. Watts doubled that against the Giants and tripled that against the Roos. Watts also averages 2-3 tackles a game this season which is pretty good for a tall forward.

Watts is out of form, been looking for the out the backs and hasn't been flying for them as much as he used to. AKA back to old habits. The posters who keep on saying it's due to pressure acts and tackles from Watts look misinformed when you read the stats.

Watts needed to go back to VFL to recapture form and do the things mentioned above. Weid was the only option for Goodwin to choose, with the key word being only. 

 

[—coach— 3,496]

6 minutes ago, old dee said:

He had 6 possessions Luther. Bloody woeful as usual. Had the chance to nail up the game in the last quarter but alas kicked true to form.

If a taging player has 6 possessions would you be calling for noose? His role was to contest and bring the ball to ground, which is precisely what he did

[beelzebub 23,390]

All things aside ...I must applaud Raz's eyesight. Who else can give frees from 70m away...I ask you !! 

[old dee 24,028]

2 minutes ago, --coach-- said:

If a taging player has 6 possessions would you be calling for noose? His role was to contest and bring the ball to ground, which is precisely what he did

But he is not a tagging player!

[Wiseblood 24,637]

3 minutes ago, --coach-- said:

If a taging player has 6 possessions would you be calling for noose? His role was to contest and bring the ball to ground, which is precisely what he did

He still needs to do a little more though, coach.  His role may well have been to bring the ball to ground and provide a contest, but he also needs to make more of those contests and hit the scoreboard with more regularity.

If we lost today, then Goodwin would have been criticised for picking Weid.  As it stands it doesn't look as bad as we bagged the four points.

I'm looking forward to him putting in another big pre-season as, clearly, he still isn't totally ready for AFL football.

Edited August 13, 2017 by Wiseblood

[—coach— 3,496]

1 minute ago, old dee said:

But he is not a tagging player!

That's not what I said, I was making the point that possessions are not the sole measure of success. If it were we would be on top of the ladder as we average the highest by any team this year. My point is that everyone has a role, I thought he fulfilled his role today.

[dave 183]

1 hour ago, Watts the matter said:

Mr. Negative here,

Glad we won, but we were shithouse.

StKilda were just much worse.

The forward entries still a major concern, players bombing away when they should be looking around. 

Pedo, well done, puts that ridiculous Pederson vs Weideman debate to bed.

Brayshaw, a great return game.

Hannan clutch.

Got issues

[—coach— 3,496]

3 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

He still needs to do a little more though, coach.  His role may well have been to bring the ball to ground and provide a contest, but he also needs to make more of those contests and hit the scoreboard with my regularity.

If we lost today, then Goodwin would have been criticised for picking Weid.  As it stands it doesn't look as bad as we bagged the four points.

I'm looking forward to him putting in another big pre-season as, clearly, he still isn't totally ready for AFL football.

I don't disagree that he can be better and provide a little more. Every single player in our team can be better and do more. My point is that he did what was asked of him to the best of his ability, which is more than can be said of the alternatives.

[SFebes 4,884]

1 minute ago, --coach-- said:

I don't disagree that he can be better and provide a little more. Every single player in our team can be better and do more. My point is that he did what was asked of him to the best of his ability, which is more than can be said of the alternatives.

Weideman - 6 disposals, 4 clangers. He is out for me

[bush demon 2,202]

1 hour ago, america de cali said:

Pedro needs to be worked hard. Mix him up in the ruck, forward and a little defence and he thrives. Great game from him. 

Every time I see Pedo I think Tassie Johnson and Don Williams. Must be the haircut.

[Dirts 429]

9 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

All things aside ...I must applaud Raz's eyesight. Who else can give frees from 70m away...I ask you !! 

Dees supporters well done. Could watch game. Decided to weed garden clean gutters etc. have recorded and will watch. Heart could not take it.

hate to say but we need to beat bris and last few times we have played them it had been average. 

Lets hope we smash them and other results go our way so r 23 is less stressful. 

You bloody beauty!

[JV7 2,375]

13 minutes ago, --coach-- said:

If a taging player has 6 possessions would you be calling for noose? His role was to contest and bring the ball to ground, which is precisely what he did

I must have been watching a different game because I saw him get out marked repeatedly and struggling to make a contest and bring the ball to ground....  Add to that the fact he doesn't have the endurance to compete when the balls there to be won, he has no urgency when the balls in his area.. It's not his fault he's just not ready for AFL football yet

Edited August 13, 2017 by JV7

[Atholwebb 110]

Weideman did what he had to do and was invaluable today in the forward set up. Competed and fought hard.

[Sir Why You Little 37,342]

55 minutes ago, Mickey said:

Maxy gave the umps a little whack after the game, according to fox footy. Said he gave away free kicks he's never given away in his life, and that they kept blowing the whistle and he didn't know why

Yes we need an explanation on all that

Razor Ray....

[Lucifers Hero 40,563]

Fortunately Goodwin intends to speak to the umpiring department:  He was his usual tactful self but his intent was very clear “It was a really interesting duel. Billy played a really good game against Max but we will have to go through each of those free kicks and have a look...“That’s a lot in a game of footy so we will have to speak to Hayden about how that rule looks." https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/simon-goodwin-questions-max-gawn-free-kick-count-against-st-kilda/news-story/c58b772ab1fc8d2300372d3f93d98e0f

We have questioned stuff before behind the scenes eg frees against Oliver but this is the first time Goodwin has come out and publicly stated his intent.  I applaud it.

Edited August 13, 2017 by Lucifer's Hero

[Dee Zephyr 19,290]

I honestly don't understand why we are pointing out negatives today.

I don't care than Hannan had 5 kicks for the day, 2 of them were clutch, end of story.

We had negativity all week on here and most asked for a response, well we got that today. Did some of you expect St Kilda to go home at half time? They needed to show something and they came at us hard in the 3rd and credit to them.

My heart stopped beating when they closed within 4 points but there were some massive moments from our boys to restore momentum.

Oscar and Lewis going hard at the contest in our back pocket in the last is what we have asked for this week and that was a prime example of putting the body on the line. 

Some asked for leadership and we got it from Jones today.

If you want to play in finals this is how you need to play to win when teams challenge you. 

Very proud today and looking forward to the replay!!

 

[SFebes 4,884]

2 minutes ago, Demon77 said:

I honestly don't understand why we are pointing out negatives today.

I don't care than Hannan had 5 kicks for the day, 2 of them were clutch, end of story.

We had negativity all week on here and most asked for a response, well we got that today. Did some of you expect St Kilda to go home at half time? They needed to show something and they came at us hard in the 3rd and credit to them.

My heart stopped beating when they closed within 4 points but there were some massive moments from our boys to restore momentum.

Oscar and Lewis going hard at the contest in our back pocket in the last is what we have asked for this week and that was a prime example of putting the body on the line. 

Some asked for leadership and we got it from Jones today.

If you want to play in finals this is how you need to play to win when teams challenge you. 

Very proud today and looking forward to the replay!!

 

"I honestly don't understand why we are pointing out negatives today."

Because for once as a club we aren't accepting mediocrity, hence us improving and wishing to improve.

[pineapple dee 2,892]

20 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

All things aside ...I must applaud Raz's eyesight. Who else can give frees from 70m away...I ask you !! 

Razor Ray could give from 700 metres away he's that good. Which begs the question, why isn't one of us given the whistle ???? We would do as good a job sitting in the grandstand.  I would do it for a couple of hundred.