What a [censored] disgrace

Handing Hird an honour like this after what he put those 34 men through and what he put the AFL through is a joke. Basically giving the message to all that he did nothing wrong

13 hours ago, Wrecker45 said:

I'm going against the grain and agreeing with it.

Hird is one of the greatest players I have seen.

He is the unfairly the face of the scandal. Let's not forget Goodwin was involved in the coaching and Hibberd was playing with the alleged drug cheating.

The AFL need to offer Hird an olive branch. I am not sure, however, this is the best way. They do need to do something.

Unfairly the face ??????

FMD !!

He implemented it all for Christ sake.

He can burn in hell for all i care. We wont know the full extent of effects for years.

33 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

could it be because you're a masochist, tgr?

My CV is building from these forums.  Now I can add masochist to:

- narcissist

- egotist

- anarchist

- chauvinist

- naturalist

- communist

 

 

 

 

Keep em coming.  Might be time for The Great Rono to become The Great Adjuctive.

 

pTGA

 

Just now, TGR said:

My CV is building from these forums.  Now I can add masochist to:

- narcissist

- egotist

- anarchist

- chauvinist

- naturalist

- communist

 

 

 

 

Keep em coming.  Might be time for The Great Rono to become The Great Adjuctive.

 

pTGA

 

yep, sounds about right - lol

45 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Unfairly the face ??????

FMD !!

He implemented it all for Christ sake.

He can burn in hell for all i care. We wont know the full extent of effects for years.

Is Goodwin overseeing our medical staff? Or does he take their advice?

Hird is unfairly the face. A simple corporate structure will show Hird didn't oversee the staff implementing the illegal program.

Not going to bother arguing it. Hird is certainly negligent.

 

18 minutes ago, Wrecker45 said:

Is Goodwin overseeing our medical staff? Or does he take their advice?

Hird is unfairly the face. A simple corporate structure will show Hird didn't oversee the staff implementing the illegal program.

Not going to bother arguing it. Hird is certainly negligent.

 

Mate...you have NO idea of the history of the drugees at Windy Hill obviously.

What we do is one thing. Whst Hird instigated was another.

Go read ...come back if you understand.

Btw..as a heads up and a pointer it all started after,   ironically your namesake , cleanef up Hird and he took the path of ruin subsequently. 

 

Hardwick urges public to support Hird's return

Go to hell, Damien.

Dave Culbert who has been a strong campaigner against drugs in sport says Hird has lost the right to present the award and I agree with him. 

AFL'S HIRD DECISION "DISGRACEFUL" SAYS ANTI-DRUGS CRUSADER

 

Next we will have Lance Armstrong awarding the laurels to the winner of the Tour de France......

16 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

Hardwick urges public to support Hird's return

Go to hell, Damien.

All that proves is how little people in the AFL understand the drugs issue, but it is hardly a surprise.

What is wrong with the AFL? Parading Hird out for his 'comeback' on the biggest stage and biggest day for the AFL and the games supporters. A true disgrace. No doubt Hird the narcissist will gracefully accept the invitation. 

20 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

Hardwick urges public to support Hird's return

Go to hell, Damien.

Hardwick's intentions are good in that the public should be getting behind the man's attempts to rehabilitate himself after the doping scandal but the AFL has actually worsened the situation by coming out with this announcement and not thinking about the public's reaction or that of Hird, his family and advisers to the news.

To open Hird up to this sort of thing so early and without having shown very much in terms of remorse for his conduct is in my view counterproductive. Old wounds are being opened up and he would inevitably be booed. The subject would be him and not the Norm Smith medalist and I don't think he quite needs this in his life at the moment.

Let him earn a return to the public stage first.

 

10 minutes ago, george_on_the_outer said:

Next we will have Lance Armstrong awarding the laurels to the winner of the Tour de France......

Or Simon Lethlean presenting the award for best on ground in the AFLW grand final.

Most (or certainly many) would agree that if Hird accepts guilt for his part in the doping affair and apologises without reservation, he deserves a second chance. Release of all documents associated with this would be essential to the public acceptance of his apology.

As he still thinks he is innocent and has persued this, and money, as far as he could, the unanimous conclusion must be his complete removal from anything AFL.

Unfortunately the AFL is running absolutely true to form.

Such a sad indictment upon those entrusted to oversee the game.

They ( Gils dills ) have sadly lost all sight of the notion it's not actually 'their' game. It's ours, i.e belong the clubs, its members and followers. 

In a quasi animal farm / emperor's new clothes fashion the AFL is run as though its someone's personal hobby farm, all costs provided.

Could there be any more transparent occasion of the chasm between morality/ethics as expected by the populace and the position of the entrusted ?

 

Hird has NEVER taken true responsibility of that which enshewed subsequently.

He can't be deemed worthy of any other considerations or start true rehabilitation til he does ( admit guilt and responsibilities )

He is a pox on this game.

Hardwick is plainly foolish.

And that idiot apologist for the EFC on the ABC RN morning program said this morning that Hird's greatest crime was that he took on the powers that be (possibly not verbatim -  similar words).  

How can Hird ever come to terms with what he did and show remorse (so that we can forgive him) when the AFL does this.

8 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Hird has NEVER taken true responsibility of that which enshewed subsequently.

He can't be deemed worthy of any other considerations or start true rehabilitation til he does ( admit guilt and responsibilities )

He is a pox on this game.

Hardwick is plainly foolish.

Sadly bb it would appear the people who run our game don't understand either. 

This is the List of Players to Have won the Medal up until 2000.

So far they have gone in order of recipients to be invited to present the medals.

But now they have come across the man who has brought the game into total disrepute.

Jobe had to hand back the Brownlow  because of the drugs.

Why the Turd (The Drug Cheating Coach) is allowed to present a medal in the Name of Norm Smith (the Greatest Coach Ever) is beyond me.

Do the AFL think that because the players are playing again then all is forgiven.

Think again you Morons. He will never be forgiven by this person.

 

 

1979	Wayne Harmes	Carlton	Carlton
1980	Kevin Bartlett	Richmond	Richmond
1981	Bruce Doull	Carlton	Carlton
19821	Maurice Rioli	Richmond	Carlton
1983	Colin Robertson	Hawthorn	Hawthorn
1984	Billy Duckworth	Essendon	Essendon
1985	Simon Madden	Essendon	Essendon
1986	Gary Ayres	Hawthorn	Hawthorn
1987	David Rhys-Jones	Carlton	Carlton
1988	Gary Ayres	Hawthorn	Hawthorn
19891	Gary Ablett, Sr.	Geelong	Hawthorn
1990	Tony Shaw	Collingwood	Collingwood
1991	Paul Dear	Hawthorn	Hawthorn
1992	Peter Matera	West Coast	West Coast
1993	Michael Long	Essendon	Essendon
1994	Dean Kemp	West Coast	West Coast
1995	Greg Williams	Carlton	Carlton
1996	Glenn Archer	North Melbourne	North Melbourne
1997	Andrew McLeod	Adelaide	Adelaide
1998	Andrew McLeod	Adelaide	Adelaide
1999	Shannon Grant	North Melbourne	North Melbourne
2000	James Hird	Essendon	Essendon

1 hour ago, Barney Rubble said:

This is the List of Players to Have won the Medal up until 2000.

So far they have gone in order of recipients to be invited to present the medals.

But now they have come across the man who has brought the game into total disrepute.

Jobe had to hand back the Brownlow  because of the drugs.

Why the Turd (The Drug Cheating Coach) is allowed to present a medal in the Name of Norm Smith (the Greatest Coach Ever) is beyond me.

Do the AFL think that because the players are playing again then all is forgiven.

Think again you Morons. He will never be forgiven by this person.

 

 

1979	Wayne Harmes	Carlton	Carlton
1980	Kevin Bartlett	Richmond	Richmond
1981	Bruce Doull	Carlton	Carlton
19821	Maurice Rioli	Richmond	Carlton
1983	Colin Robertson	Hawthorn	Hawthorn
1984	Billy Duckworth	Essendon	Essendon
1985	Simon Madden	Essendon	Essendon
1986	Gary Ayres	Hawthorn	Hawthorn
1987	David Rhys-Jones	Carlton	Carlton
1988	Gary Ayres	Hawthorn	Hawthorn
19891	Gary Ablett, Sr.	Geelong	Hawthorn
1990	Tony Shaw	Collingwood	Collingwood
1991	Paul Dear	Hawthorn	Hawthorn
1992	Peter Matera	West Coast	West Coast
1993	Michael Long	Essendon	Essendon
1994	Dean Kemp	West Coast	West Coast
1995	Greg Williams	Carlton	Carlton
1996	Glenn Archer	North Melbourne	North Melbourne
1997	Andrew McLeod	Adelaide	Adelaide
1998	Andrew McLeod	Adelaide	Adelaide
1999	Shannon Grant	North Melbourne	North Melbourne
2000	James Hird	Essendon	Essendon

You are not alone BR.

19 hours ago, deefender said:

The AFL trashed their own brand - not a smart business move. What clowns.

The AFL should never have signed up with ASADA/WADA in the first place, thereby surrendering their authority to botherers from outside of our game.

Get over Hird.

I think the AFL's ridiculous attitude to this since the beginning shows why it must be part of the WADA code. They have attempted to sweep this under the carpet and underplay it at every turn; this occasion case in point. As if you could trust them to honestly and transparently implement any sort of drug code.

Disgrace. 

I get that the AFL are doing it in order of years but I think they should have skipped Hird at least for now. Time will pass where that saga may not be the first thing we remember about him and we do remember that he was a fantastic player. 

But it's still so soon after the final ruling and placing him on a stage on the biggest day of the year in front of 100,000 people and national TV, it's not a good look. Not to mention we don't know how the crowd will react, you could end up with the entire MCG being filled with booing. 

Its also not a good look for the game internationally, not many people know about our game but the supplements saga made news around the world. Having him hand over the best on ground at the grand final doesn't send a good message in my opinion. 

1 hour ago, Nasher said:

I think the AFL's ridiculous attitude to this since the beginning shows why it must be part of the WADA code. They have attempted to sweep this under the carpet and underplay it at every turn; this occasion case in point. As if you could trust them to honestly and transparently implement any sort of drug code.

This saga is the best example you can have as to why sports should not be overseeing their drugs codes. Only a fool could not see the conflict of interest.

Interesting that Gil heads of to France tomorrow on holidays and Hird is currently in Europe (probably visiting the future F/S). Wonder if they will catch up for a glass of red or two to discuss the Norm Smith medal.