Now that we've come good, I quite often here the old 'yeah so you should be with all your draft picks' yet let's look at the 22 we had on the weekend.

 

B: Hibberd (pick 30*) McDonald (pick 53) Jetta  (pick 51)

HB: Lewis (pick 48*) Frost (pick 23*) Bugg  (pick 43*)

C: Melksham (pick 31*) Oliver (pick 4) Salem (pick 9)

HF: Stretch (pick 42) Pedersen (pick 63*) Petracca  (pick 2)

F: Hannan (pick 46) McDonald (pick 53) Garrett (pick 61*)

Followers: Viney (pick 26) Gawn (pick 34) Vince (pick 23*)

Bench :  Tyson (pick 2*) Harmes (rookie pick 2) Neale-Bullen (pick 40) Hunt (pick 57)

Note * is what we gave up in trade and not their original pick number.

I count that as only 4 first rounders that played on the weekend. Make no mistake we are being coached and developed properly to go with some excellent trading. 

 

 

I hear and read this all the time. Unfortunately opposition supporters are so clueless, they are living in the days of when we drafted players such as Trengove, Scully, Morton, gysberts, Strauss, blease etc. No idea the turn over our list has and how many gems we have actually found late in the draft.

You ask any one eyed opposition supporter what pick we got T mac, Harmes, Neal bullen, Hannan, Stretch etc they'd have said between 1-25.

 

6 minutes ago, juzzk1d said:

I hear and read this all the time. Unfortunately opposition supporters are so clueless, they are living in the days of when we drafted players such as Trengove, Scully, Morton, gysberts, Strauss, blease etc. No idea the turn over our list has and how many gems we have actually found late in the draft.

You ask any one eyed opposition supporter what pick we got T mac, Harmes, Neal bullen, Hannan, Stretch etc they'd have said between 1-25.

 

Yeh exactly right. Granted we've got Jones, Hogan (traded in) and Watts to come back in, I think our original point still stands. We're hardly GWS and I think our coaching staff and co should  be applauded

I really don't care though. As long as we're winning the tears of opposition supporters just make it sweeter.

Every successful team has people trying to bring them down. Sydney with COLA, Cats with father sons, Hawks with priority picks and free agents etc etc

2 hours ago, Stevienic23 said:

Now that we've come good, I quite often here the old 'yeah so you should be with all your draft picks' yet let's look at the 22 we had on the weekend.

 

B: Hibberd (pick 30*) McDonald (pick 53) Jetta  (pick 51)

HB: Lewis (pick 48*) Frost (pick 23*) Bugg  (pick 43*)

C: Melksham (pick 31*) Oliver (pick 4) Salem (pick 9)

HF: Stretch (pick 42) Pedersen (pick 63*) Petracca  (pick 2)

F: Hannan (pick 46) McDonald (pick 53) Garrett (pick 61*)

Followers: Viney (pick 26) Gawn (pick 34) Vince (pick 23*)

Bench :  Tyson (pick 2*) Harmes (rookie pick 2) Neale-Bullen (pick 40) Hunt (pick 57)

Note * is what we gave up in trade and not their original pick number.

I count that as only 4 first rounders that played on the weekend. Make no mistake we are being coached and developed properly to go with some excellent trading. 

 

 

Viney and Stretch probably would have gone lower were they not father sons, but we aren't the only club in that situation either.  No club can match the gargantuan gifts of GWS in terms of draft picks/recruiting concessions.  Given we have found so many dimonds in the rough, an undervalued concession that GWS had for a number of years was to have access to an expanded list, which allowed them to have their cake and eat it too.  

Doesn't matter so much in the end though, what GWS have got in terms of consessions and top end tallent has made them arrogant, with a sense of entitlement.  We have done it tough and struggled for many years and that adversity makes us stronger and as much as Viney's athletic attributes and footy skill set make him a good player, it's his passion and love of the club which make him an unstoppable bull of a player.

30 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I really don't care though. As long as we're winning the tears of opposition supporters just make it sweeter.

Every successful team has people trying to bring them down. Sydney with COLA, Cats with father sons, Hawks with priority picks and free agents etc etc

And Collingwood. Don't forget Collingwood. I heard they're a successful team too.

3 hours ago, Stevienic23 said:

Now that we've come good, I quite often here the old 'yeah so you should be with all your draft picks' yet let's look at the 22 we had on the weekend.

 

B: Hibberd (pick 30*) McDonald (pick 53) Jetta  (pick 51)

HB: Lewis (pick 48*) Frost (pick 23*) Bugg  (pick 43*)

C: Melksham (pick 31*) Oliver (pick 4) Salem (pick 9)

HF: Stretch (pick 42) Pedersen (pick 63*) Petracca  (pick 2)

F: Hannan (pick 46) McDonald (pick 53) Garrett (pick 61*)

Followers: Viney (pick 26) Gawn (pick 34) Vince (pick 23*)

Bench :  Tyson (pick 2*) Harmes (rookie pick 2) Neale-Bullen (pick 40) Hunt (pick 57)

Note * is what we gave up in trade and not their original pick number.

I count that as only 4 first rounders that played on the weekend. Make no mistake we are being coached and developed properly to go with some excellent trading. 

 

 

Thanks for posting that. I didn't realise it was that clear cut. Something to shove up my Collingwood mates' collective bung hole. (I even heard one of the idiot commentators the other day describing Petracca as a number one pick)

Love this sort of thing - it means we're getting up the noses of opposition supporters. Something we have been aiming to do for years.

All teams get the same number of draft picks, unless they trade them away or choose not to use them.

12 minutes ago, Demonised said:

All teams get the same number of draft picks, unless they trade them away or choose not to use them.

Note quite true.  We did get a few concessions, but they were mostly watsed.

The biggest gift we could be accused of being given of late was what could be viewed as over compensation for Frawley which gave us essentially the third pick in the draft which landed us Gus Braeshaw, but that's hardly paying dividends right now and might or might not even be viewed as sparing another team a wasted pick if he can not get over his concussion problem.

i think having not had a priority pick since 2009 makes it pretty clear cut that our resurgence this year has to be attributed to good drafting and player development, not bonus picks or a helping hand. 

If anyone does windge about any of the concessions we have had, then tell them that their team is welcome to have the last ten years that we have had and they can have all the concessions they [Censored]ing well want - see howhat many takers you get.

Ollie Wines is the only one who should be in the current side that isn't, because of incompetance. But it  completely blows the "Whiteboard Wednesday" theories to shreds!!?

Has Eddie started peddling this yet? You know it has currency among the obtuse if the chief whinger and excuse maker is promoting it.

The sleeper issue is the ongoing financial and player concessions that will need to be given to the Lions, the Suns and in time the Giants.

Don't overestimate Sydney. If they take a downward turn on the ladder they may quickly enter the world of irrelevancy. The Lions have showed how that can happen.

The fight in Melbourne will be between the haves and the have nots. When you have an empire such as Collingwood it grows itself and takes a lot to kill off. If you are an MFC, Saints etc you are coming from a much smaller base that does not deliver super profits.

Would be interested if someone knows the added financial benefits to the Bulldogs because of their premiership.

I suspect it was less even in unadjusted dollars than the benefit accruing to Collingwood from its 2010 flag and even perhaps its 1990 flag.

West Coast are another that will sink or swim on the new stadium deal.

Let's not overlook the input of one P Roos who was instrumental in selecting AFL capable footballers

Opposition supporters aren't going to understand the Prendergast effect and the fact that our 2008-2012 era drafting has been flushed down the toilet.

They're not going to understand that this has not been one continuous, long rebuild. Roos-Goodwin-Taylor-Viney-Mahoney-PJ started again completely from scratch. Everything that happened before 2013 is irrelevant.

Opposition supporters don't understand the anguish that we supporters, and long term players like Nathan Jones have endured to get to this point.

And opposition fans don't care about any of that. All they want to do is rain on our parade now that we're climbing out of the quagmire.

Try and educate them if you've got the energy. I don't, so my strategy is to just ignore it. They don't know, and don't want to know. We know, so let's just enjoy the ride together. Let everyone else cry their salty tears.

Our success has been built more on good administration and coaching over the past few years rather than draft picks but let the opposition bleat away- its music to my ears.

2 hours ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Viney and Stretch probably would have gone lower were they not father sons, but we aren't the only club in that situation either.  No club can match the gargantuan gifts of GWS in terms of draft picks/recruiting concessions.  Given we have found so many dimonds in the rough, an undervalued concession that GWS had for a number of years was to have access to an expanded list, which allowed them to have their cake and eat it too.  

Doesn't matter so much in the end though, what GWS have got in terms of consessions and top end tallent has made them arrogant, with a sense of entitlement.  We have done it tough and struggled for many years and that adversity makes us stronger and as much as Viney's athletic attributes and footy skill set make him a good player, it's his passion and love of the club which make him an unstoppable bull of a player.

From 1858 to around the 1970s, if you described one club as arrogant with a sense of entitlement, I suspect most neutral supporters would have thought it described us. The team that did it tough and struggled for many years during that same time could have been any one of Fitzroy, North Melbourne, Footscray, South Melbourne or Hawthorn. Times change.  

The thing that has the biggest long term influence on a Club's performance is the AFL's scheduling.

Teams like Collingwood, Essendon, Carlton & the Swans get a huge boost by getting more choice time "free to air " games than Clubs like Melbourne & the Dogs.   This leads to more sponsorship $ & more members due to their greater exposure.

This means more $$ & better facilities & makes it easier to recruit quality players.

 

Take the opposite tack and agree with them!

Tell them we've got an armchair ride from the AFL.

Tell them half our side are top ten picks.

Tell them we don't deserve our success.

Tell them that because of that, their team should have beaten us.That they are the rightful winners and it's all very unfair.

Rub their faces in it.

57 minutes ago, Ted Fidge said:

Take the opposite tack and agree with them!

Tell them we've got an armchair ride from the AFL.

Tell them half our side are top ten picks.

Tell them we don't deserve our success.

Tell them that because of that, their team should have beaten us.That they are the rightful winners and it's all very unfair.

Rub their faces in it.

Lol - I like it.

In all seriousness though, I actually think most opposition suporters actually realise our situation and are happy for us to be having some success again at last...unless we are beating their team of course.

I think we would be the absolute fan favorite against GWS or just about anyone else should we make the GF sometime soon, except perhaps against St Kilda and then we would probably split  the market a bit.

It's also the "yeah but you tanked" crap... What tanking picks did we get? Watts maybe? Trengove/Scully? We certainly didn't win out there. Trengove hasn't worked... Scully, admittedly, was part of what got us Hogan. But even that was just us being clever.

On 6/26/2017 at 9:41 AM, Nasher said:

Opposition supporters aren't going to understand the Prendergast effect and the fact that our 2008-2012 era drafting has been flushed down the toilet.

They're not going to understand that this has not been one continuous, long rebuild. Roos-Goodwin-Taylor-Viney-Mahoney-PJ started again completely from scratch. Everything that happened before 2013 is irrelevant.

Opposition supporters don't understand the anguish that we supporters, and long term players like Nathan Jones have endured to get to this point.

And opposition fans don't care about any of that. All they want to do is rain on our parade now that we're climbing out of the quagmire.

Try and educate them if you've got the energy. I don't, so my strategy is to just ignore it. They don't know, and don't want to know. We know, so let's just enjoy the ride together. Let everyone else cry their salty tears.

Mate, half the punters on this very board don't get this. Not sure how we can expect supporters of other clubs to.

Nor the lazy clowns masquerading as media

I'm also in the "enjoy the ride" brigade. Is there a bus ?