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[bing181 9,348]

On 12/20/2017 at 1:55 AM, ProDee said:

You're unaware of the problems mass migration from Islamic countries has caused in Europe ?

Laughable. When did you ever live and work in Europe? What do you know about the day to day lives of we here who do, and the role/place of muslims in that?

I know muslims who are doctors, lawyers, in the army etc., and I work with/for/around muslims all the time - their interests and concerns are the same as mine ... what the hell was that goalkeeper thinking ... are my kids spending too much time on Social Media ... is my elderly mother getting the care that she needs etc. etc.

What you're doing is just ignorantly demonising a whole population on the basis of their race and religion. For which there's a term.

 

[bing181 9,348]

10 hours ago, hardtack said:

Find me a more reputable source for the story if you want me to pass comment 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-goldwater/

Actually, the origin of that article is, surprise surprise, Breitbart. All the other sites that ran it use the original story or quote it. No reputable publication has gone anywhere near it, for obvious reasons.

Somewhat ironic that ProDee should be citing one of Sweden's leading feminists. 

[bing181 9,348]

On 12/19/2017 at 6:42 AM, ProDee said:

Rape statistics for 2016 - Sweden vs Poland. Sweden: - 10 million inhabitants. - 6 715 rapes - 11% successfully cleared up.

Poland: - 40 million inhabitants. - 1 383 rapes. - 80% successfully cleared up. Seems like Sweden is not functioning properly.

 

Wonder why ?

Rather than wonder, you could have checked. But it's easier just to regurgitate what you've been spoonfed from Breitbart.

Here:

"What we're hearing is a very, very extreme exaggeration based on a few isolated events, and the claim that it's related to immigration is more or less not true at all," says Jerzy Sarnecki, a criminologist at Stockholm University.

Sweden does indeed have far more reported cases of sexual assault than any other country. But it's not because Swedes – of any colour – are very criminal. It's because they're very feminist.

Imagine, for example, if your boss rubbed against you in an unwanted way at work once a week for a year. In Canada, this would potentially be a case of sexual assault. Under Germany's laws, it would be zero cases. In Sweden, it would be tallied as 52 separate cases of rape.

The marked increase in rape cases during the 2000s is almost entirely a reflection of Sweden's deep public interest in sexual equality and the rights of women, not of attacks by newcomers.

Crime rates are mostly a product not of ethnicity but of class. In a 2013 analysis of 63,000 Swedish residents, Prof. Sarnecki and his colleagues found that 75 per cent of the difference in foreign-born crime is accounted for by income and neighbourhood, both indicators of poverty. Among the Swedish-born children of immigrants, the crime rate falls in half and is 100-per-cent attributable to class – they are no more likely to commit crimes, including rape, than ethnic Swedes of the same income family."

 

 

[bing181 9,348]

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/swedens-rape-crisis-isnt-what-it-seems/article30019623/

[hardtack 10,703]

10 hours ago, ProDee said:

I tell you what, I'll put in more work on this lawyer if you comment on all of these concerns from a previous post that you've conveniently ignored.  There's lots to digest, but be sure not to miss anything...

 

You're unaware of the problems mass migration from Islamic countries has caused in Europe ?

You're unaware that 1200 Germans  were assaulted on new year's eve in 2015, including close to 500 sexual assaults, and that officials linked the assaults with the rapid influx of refugees ?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/07/10/leaked-document-says-2000-men-allegedly-assaulted-1200-german-women-on-new-years-eve/?utm_term=.93ee0f646c2d

https://thecorrespondent.com/4401/time-for-the-facts-what-do-we-know-about-cologne-four-months-later/1073698080444-e20ada1b

 

As for Sweden...

In 1975, the Swedish parliament unanimously decided to change the former homogeneous Sweden into a multicultural country. Forty years later the dramatic consequences of this experiment emerge: violent crime has increased by 300%.

If one looks at the number of rapes, however, the increase is even worse. In 1975, 421 rapes were reported to the police; in 2014, it was 6,620. That is an increase of 1,472%.

Sweden is now number two on the global list of rape countries.

Twenty-one research reports from the 1960s until today are unanimous in their conclusions: Whether or not they're measured by the number of convicted rapists or men suspected of rape, men of foreign extraction were represented far more than Swedes. And this greater representation of persons with a foreign background keeps increasing:

• 1960-1970s – 1.2 to 2.6 times as often as Swedes
• 1980s – 2.1 to 4.7 times as often as Swedes
• 1990s – 2.1 to 8.1 times as often as Swedes
• 2000s – 2.1 to 19.5 times as often as Swedes

Even when adjusted for variables such as age, sex, class and place of residence, the huge discrepancy between immigrants and Swedes remains.

Research reports on crime in Sweden have become a rarity, but among the eighteen that were done during the 1990s and the 2000s, eleven dealt with rape. Two of these reports dealt with the connection between rape and immigration, and they both confirmed that there is a link.

Since 2000, there has only been one research report on immigrant crime. It was done in 2006 by Ann-Christine Hjelm from Karlstads University.

It emerged that in 2002, 85% of those sentenced to at least two years in prison for rape in Svea Hovrätt, a court of appeals, were foreign born or second-generation immigrants.

And @hardtack you mention 1996 ?

A 1996 report by the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention reached the conclusion that immigrants from North Africa (Algeria, Libya, Morocco and Tunisia) were 23 times as likely to commit rape as Swedish men. The figures for men from Iraq, Bulgaria and Romania were, respectively, 20, 18 and 18. Men from the rest of Africa were 16 times more prone to commit rape; and men from Iran, Peru, Ecuador and Bolivia, 10 times as prone as Swedish men.

You already posted that in a response to one of my earlier posts... I will defer to Bing’s excellent posts as that pretty much covers it.  

[Gator 17,628]

2 hours ago, bing181 said:

Laughable. When did you ever live and work in Europe? What do you know about the day to day lives of we here who do, and the role/place of muslims in that?

I know muslims who are doctors, lawyers, in the army etc., and I work with/for/around muslims all the time - their interests and concerns are the same as mine ... what the hell was that goalkeeper thinking ... are my kids spending too much time on Social Media ... is my elderly mother getting the care that she needs etc. etc.

What you're doing is just ignorantly demonising a whole population on the basis of their race and religion. For which there's a term.

 

The old I know plenty of good Muslims line.  Can you miss the point more ?

Clearly, I'm speaking about orthodox Muslims, not westernised Muslims.  I'm talking about those who pray 5 times a day, regularly attend Mosques, live on welfare, think their wives are third class citizens, and have sympathy for those who wish us harm.

If a Muslim follows islam to its natural intent they're a danger to the West.  If they're Muslim in name only and don't follow the literal teachings of the Qur'an then they're a danger to nobody.  

A quarter of British Muslims want to live under sharia.  Half think homosexuality should be illegal.  I could go on, but it means nothing to you.

It's fair to say I have zero concerns about the local westernised European Muslim doctor.  Who would ?  But I do have concerns about the hundreds of thousands who hate the West, do not integrate and zero respect for women.

Google "students walking out on national anthem" to understand the clashes of culture.  

Name a western country that has been enriched by Islam ?  Just one will do.

Keppe your Leftist head in the sand.  Islam loves Leftists.  They consider you a useful idiot.

 

[Gator 17,628]

2 hours ago, bing181 said:

Actually, the origin of that article is, surprise surprise, Breitbart. All the other sites that ran it use the original story or quote it. No reputable publication has gone anywhere near it, for obvious reasons.

Somewhat ironic that ProDee should be citing one of Sweden's leading feminists. 

Why do you froth at the mouth over the source ?  Why not concentrate on the facts ?

Obviously, and I mean obviously, Breitbart will report things the Leftist media won't.  Thank God for a group like Breitbart, who don't shield or try to cover up the news when it comes to Islam.

The Leftist media don't trust you to form an independent view, so they don't report on what they don't want you to hear.

Yet you have the audacity to criticise a source that will.

And you feel triumphant about it.  The stupidity of Leftists never ceases to amaze. 

[Gator 17,628]

2 hours ago, bing181 said:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/swedens-rape-crisis-isnt-what-it-seems/article30019623/

I'm well aware of those that try to water down the seriousness of sexual assault in Sweden.  It panders to dumb arses who don't like facing the truth about a benighted culture.  I also accept that there are nuances in the way the Swedes report crime.  But if you think they don't have a problem and that the only issue is their categorisation of sexual assault then you really do kid yourself.

I'll keep reporting the sexual assault that is happening in Sweden, including the report about a poor teenager that was recently raped and tortured by Muslims, had lighter fluid inserted in her [censored] and was set alight.

http://www.americanafmindy.com/muslim-migrants-brutally-gang-rape-swedish-teenage-girl-and-light-her-[censored]-on-fire/

Then there's this advice that was retracted by Swedish police:

"Police in Sweden have retracted their “unfortunate” advice that women should not go out alone after dark. 

Local police in Malmö made a public statement saying women should stay indoors when it gets dark following the rape of a 17-year-old girl."

Wonder why they retracted their advice ?  Naturally, the Leftist government in Sweden wanted to allay any fears and also didn't want to offend their Islamic population.  

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/sweden-police-women-alone-dark-victim-blaming-advice-retracted-a8117291.html

[dieter 3,325]

46 minutes ago, ProDee said:

The old I know plenty of good Muslims line.  Can you miss the point more ?

Clearly, I'm speaking about orthodox Muslims, not westernised Muslims.  I'm talking about those who pray 5 times a day, regularly attend Mosques, live on welfare, think their wives are third class citizens, and have sympathy for those who wish us harm.

If a Muslim follows islam to its natural intent they're a danger to the West.  If they're Muslim in name only and don't follow the literal teachings of the Qur'an then they're a danger to nobody.  

A quarter of British Muslims want to live under sharia.  Half think homosexuality should be illegal.  I could go on, but it means nothing to you.

It's fair to say I have zero concerns about the local westernised European Muslim doctor.  Who would ?  But I do have concerns about the hundreds of thousands who hate the West, do not integrate and zero respect for women.

Google "students walking out on national anthem" to understand the clashes of culture.  

Name a western country that has been enriched by Islam ?  Just one will do.

Keppe your Leftist head in the sand.  Islam loves Leftists.  They consider you a useful idiot.

 

Sacre bleu, you use the term 'idiot'! 

You must be looking in the mirror. The above is the most idiotic post I've ever read.

[Jara 1,153]

How exciting. Pro's got me off "Ignore". Could I use this brief window of opportunity to ask you a question (sparked by Bing's excellent, very logical contributions)? Do you actually know any Muslims? Do you have Muslim friends? Colleagues?

[dieter 3,325]

7 hours ago, Jara said:

How exciting. Pro's got me off "Ignore". Could I use this brief window of opportunity to ask you a question (sparked by Bing's excellent, very logical contributions)? Do you actually know any Muslims? Do you have Muslim friends? Colleagues?

Pro is an excitement machine. Warren wrote a song about him: Excitable Boy.

[Wrecker45 3,378]

On 22/12/2017 at 10:16 AM, ProDee said:

I'm well aware of those that try to water down the seriousness of sexual assault in Sweden.  It panders to dumb arses who don't like facing the truth about a benighted culture.  I also accept that there are nuances in the way the Swedes report crime.  But if you think they don't have a problem and that the only issue is their categorisation of sexual assault then you really do kid yourself.

I'll keep reporting the sexual assault that is happening in Sweden, including the report about a poor teenager that was recently raped and tortured by Muslims, had lighter fluid inserted in her [censored] and was set alight.

http://www.americanafmindy.com/muslim-migrants-brutally-gang-rape-swedish-teenage-girl-and-light-her-[censored]-on-fire/

Then there's this advice that was retracted by Swedish police:

"Police in Sweden have retracted their “unfortunate” advice that women should not go out alone after dark. 

Local police in Malmö made a public statement saying women should stay indoors when it gets dark following the rape of a 17-year-old girl."

Wonder why they retracted their advice ?  Naturally, the Leftist government in Sweden wanted to allay any fears and also didn't want to offend their Islamic population.  

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/sweden-police-women-alone-dark-victim-blaming-advice-retracted-a8117291.html

#MeeToo

[Gator 17,628]

 

[Gator 17,628]

It doesn't matter whether it's Australia, or Ireland, Africans cause mayhem wherever they go.

Western cultures invite this mayhem into their lives.  It's absurd.

Naturally, the deranged Left accuse them of being "racist".

http://altview.ie/700-strong-protest-antisocial-migrants-balbriggan-get-accused-racism/

[Gator 17,628]

In Paris yesterday.

More cultural diversity.

 

[Gator 17,628]

Faux feminism versus real feminism.

Iranian women in their droves are shedding hijabs.

[dieter 3,325]

1 hour ago, ProDee said:

Faux feminism versus real feminism.

Iranian women in their droves are shedding hijabs.

Your posts on this topic border on fanatical, loony, ignorant - for example women have not historically worn hijabs in Iran - and they come from a place of absolute bigotry, not unlike the fanatical antisemitism of the Nazis and the murderous race hatred of the Ku Klux lunatics. You should be ashamed of yourself. 

[Gator 17,628]

5 minutes ago, dieter said:

Your posts on this topic border on fanatical, loony, ignorant - for example women have not historically worn hijabs in Iran - and they come from a place of absolute bigotry, not unlike the fanatical antisemitism of the Nazis and the murderous race hatred of the Ku Klux lunatics. You should be ashamed of yourself. 

It is you who should be ashamed.  Ashamed of your intellect and hypocrisy.  

The hijab, niqab, and especially the burqa oppress women all over the world.  They are the ultimate symbol of their subjugation at the hands of Islam.

As for antisemitism ?  It's the Left that are Israel-hating weirdos.  I'm pro Israel.  I'm pro the only true democracy in the middle east.  I'm pro their wonderful leader.  I'm pro the Jewish people. 

It's the Left that wallow in identity politics.  I care not about a person's colour, but I care massively about their culture.  There is no place for Islam in the West.  And plenty of cultures are vile.

 

[daisycutter 29,797]

we should only accept bona fide atheists - simple

edit: provided they are not nihilists or anarchists

edit2: better exclude hippies and hipsters too

Edited January 4, 2018 by daisycutter

[dieter 3,325]

18 hours ago, daisycutter said:

we should only accept bona fide atheists - simple

edit: provided they are not nihilists or anarchists

edit2: better exclude hippies and hipsters too

And e coli wobblers.