19 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

@binman - while I'm certainly not one to write off Oscar, as I do a future for him at the club going forward, the stats you brought up about who we can least do without is pretty useless in this regard.  There are plenty of horrible players on that list who have played in a few wins that have gotten their names on it, which doesn't give it a whole lot of credibility.

Brown kicked 5 on the weekend and some of them weren't down to Oscar like some may make out.  There were times where we kicked the ball out from defence, North marked it and then chipped it back in to Brown's advantage.  It gives our defenders no chance.  He will have his detractors, and I agree with others that we could use another tall defender, but he isn't nearly as bad as some make out.

The thing that worries me most about OMAC is he lack of hunger and intensity. He is so lackadaisical and reminds me of Garland's on field persona.

1 hour ago, Demon Disciple said:

Go after a KPD this year, then try and bring in Peter Wright next year.

He'd help relieve Max in the ruck, and is more than a handful up forward.

If all it took was our first rounder this year and next to get May or Lever to the club at the end of this year and Peter Wright the following year, I'd happily give up those picks.

Besides, Taylor has shown an ability to pick deep into the draft. As long as we have some 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks to keep turning over areas of our list, I'd be happy with this as our list strategy for the next two draft periods.

That said, can you trade two first rounders in consecutive years? 

Either way, the obvious holes in the list are a ready-to-go KPD, a forward/ruck and a skilful (preferably) pacey outside mid.

I think we need to keep adding ball winning ability in our midfield too. Viney, Tyson, Oliver, Petracca, Salem and maybe Brayshaw are great, but when Lewis, Jones and Vince go (two of those will hang up the boots within three years), we'll need midfield reinforcements. We might back ourselves to be an attractive FA destination by the end of those three years, and hope to land a few mids to compliment the guys we already have and take over from the guys who will retire. 

Then it's about getting more games into our core elite group of Oliver, Petracca, Salem, Brayshaw, Hogan, Weideman, Hunt and even Frost. 

Edited May 25, 20177 yr by A F

2 hours ago, daisycutter said:

he's going to play chf and ff?.... suppose hoges + pedo will be a big improvement, but being 'fine', i dunno still lacking a kpf and kpb (with appropriate backup depth)

I agree on the back because we don't have a gun key position.  One gun key forward - Hogan plus Watts, Weed and Pedo is enough.   Not to many teams have 2 superstar key forwards 

1 hour ago, Redleg said:

See post 163

of course

On 2017-5-24 at 6:50 AM, stevethemanjordan said:

Yeh, I challenged posters to give me a strong attribute that Oscar possesses. And I got two stats. One which I already rebutted because of how misleading it is and the other I didn't even bother with because of how nonsensical it was. 

A poster measuring Oscar's endurance against other players, based on the minutes he plays on ground ?! Even though he is a key defender. That is not a thing. It's a nonsensical correlation.

I maintain that at this level, Oscar doesn't possess one strong and consistent attribute. Frost for example is really fast. That is his strong attribute. Hibberd is a strong user of the footy and strong intercept player. D'you see? Maybe we have a different idea of what difines a strong attribute, because it seems you're telling me what I meant by it. Strong attribute = strength.

I'm happy to leave it there.

Watch footage of a young Rance very poor. Darren Glass at a young age schizen. Cale Hooker again nothing to see here. Robbie Tarrant 2009 to 2014 = delist material.Ted Richards ????

Unlike others I don't,mind what glimpses I've seen in Oscar.  I don't think he'sever going to be a star but I think he will develop into a very strong one on one backman

5 minutes ago, Pennant St Dee said:

Watch footage of a young Rance very poor. Darren Glass at a young age schizen. Cale Hooker again nothing to see here. Robbie Tarrant 2009 to 2014 = delist material.Ted Richards ????

Unlike others I don't,mind what glimpses I've seen in Oscar.  I don't think he'sever going to be a star but I think he will develop into a very strong one on one backman

We need someone.....now

1 minute ago, beelzebub said:

We need someone.....now

Do not underestimate another 20 games under hisand Frost's belt and what a fit Gawn will do for us relieving the pressure on our defence. I think we need to be careful not to sell the farm on a kpd. A quality forward, some outside run and anotner back up ruckman (not a gun either) are what we need in the jigsaw more than anything else 

9 hours ago, Pennant St Dee said:

Do not underestimate another 20 games under hisand Frost's belt and what a fit Gawn will do for us relieving the pressure on our defence. I think we need to be careful not to sell the farm on a kpd. A quality forward, some outside run and anotner back up ruckman (not a gun either) are what we need in the jigsaw more than anything else 

Another 20 games and preseason in Frost ought to see him really  starting to solidify his game. I just haven't seen the same progressive curve in Oscar. 

Midfields help the pressure on backs but really doesn't alleviate the need for proper Full Back... nothing does. 

Key forwards are given years to develop, cut Oscar some slack. The Weideman of the backline.

27 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Another 20 games and preseason in Frost ought to see him really  starting to solidify his game. I just haven't seen the same progressive curve in Oscar. 

Midfields help the pressure on backs but really doesn't alleviate the need for proper Full Back... nothing does. 

He's 21 years old bub. Oscar is well ahead of the curve for a player of his size and age.

1 minute ago, Luther said:

He's 21 years old bub. Oscar is well ahead of the curve for a player of his size and age.

Forget age...its footy nouse.

Itll be 2-3 years before he approached " really useful" at best

We still need a big decent fullback now. Oscar will NEVER be that player, though he and Frost might share a role in future...maybe.

Edited May 26, 20177 yr by beelzebub

4 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

 

. Oscar will NEVER be that player,

Big call.

47 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Big call.

Yep... Seen nothing in his game awareness to suggest to me hes a fullback. Tom isn't one either in my book. Tom has a much better awareness and ability to cover some forwards though. He HAS some nouse...just 'odd disposal algorithms' 

Again if you're to have say three tall defenders Omac might be one...but a Fullback.  Nuh.

May has nothing to offer Melbourne. If you compare Treloar to Prestia it is like comparing cheese to chalk,Treloar win easily.

4 minutes ago, ENYAW said:

May has nothing to offer Melbourne. If you compare Treloar to Prestia it is like comparing cheese to chalk,Treloar win easily.

Like it ENYAW. Your on the money... wherever that may be.

On 26/05/2017 at 10:21 AM, Luther said:

He's 21 years old bub. Oscar is well ahead of the curve for a player of his size and age.

Lol.

Today we have both Steven May and Oscar McDonald playing.

I hope posters can now see that we need a player like May. 

Once again, I wonder what on earth anyone can see in Oscar McDonald.

May would be watching us today thinking no thanks, Gold Coast are closer to a flag than us 

7 minutes ago, brendan said:

May would be watching us today thinking no thanks, Gold Coast are closer to a flag than us 

We have Hogan and Gawn out. GC have Ablett out - who will most likely be out next year for GC. It is just an ordinary game. May isn't playing on anyone of substance. He'd have his hands full with Hogan.

Oscar takes an intercept mark. Was thinking posters would be straight on to me about it.

Alas. He misses a 15 meter target under no pressure yet again that nearly results in a shot on goal if not for Hibberd's calmness.

 

5 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Oscar takes an intercept mark. Was thinking posters would be straight on to me about it.

Alas. He misses a 15 meter target under no pressure yet again that nearly results in a shot on goal if not for Hibberd's calmness.

 

Been watching big bro

50 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Oscar takes an intercept mark. Was thinking posters would be straight on to me about it.

Alas. He misses a 15 meter target under no pressure yet again that nearly results in a shot on goal if not for Hibberd's calmness.

 

 OMAC us simply not good enough for AFL level football yet. I don't like that we are gifting him games. He isn't the only one though.

It's about time the team selectors start giving games to those who earn them. Look at Harmes, he went back to the 2's and had to force his way back into the team. He was a major contributor in turning the tide in the third quarter.

Weideman is not ready for AFL footy and was sent back to Casey, OMAC should be right there with him.

OMAC had a iffy game. Some good spoils and long clearances but still 5-6 heartstoppers that will be costly if they continue. His disposal is always 50/50.

May was very good. Strong marks and solid disposals.

I had no idea May was indigenous. Is that ignorance on my behalf or a common mistake? 

6 minutes ago, Josh said:

I had no idea May was indigenous. Is that ignorance on my behalf or a common mistake? 

I had no idea either...but that's a good thing, because it doesn't matter.

Wouldn't mind having him in our back line.

TMAC is not a forward, he should only be used as one as relief or last resort only. Plus it gives time for the likes of Frost and OMAC to further develop their game back at Casey.

We need to try and bring in one of May, Thompson (pipe dream) or Lever. It would help settle our back line down. Leslie played alright for them too, so maybe another possibility?

Edited May 27, 20177 yr by Demon Disciple