18 minutes ago, jumbo returns said:

 

And, yes, it does

Wow.. sorry Jumbo but thats enough for now. FWIW it didn't stop Jones, Tyson, Oliver, Jetta going in hard right till the end of the game.

Your the master of excuses for Jacky boy. Love him aswell but 2 weeks in a row he's had poor games. He now needs to lift. Hes coming up to his 150th game so my expectation on him is very high at the moment.

Playing catch up football is the way to dusty death.

Tomas Bugg kicks four goals instead of four points, we win.

I despair, sometimes.

Haven't read the thread yet, but wanted to say this before I forget. Apologies if someone has already made this point:

After this game, I assume it is now ok to:

- Punch a player in the guts.

- Trip a player as they attempt to play on

- Punch a bloke in the face as long as you hold their jumper

- Jump on a player's back after they've been paid a mark

 

Edited May 22, 20178 yr by Choke

1 minute ago, Demonised said:

Playing catch up football is the way to dusty death.

Tomas Bugg kicks four goals instead of four points, we win.

I despair, sometimes.

If just 2 of the blatant trips while we were on the attack were called, we might have kicked 2 more.  If two incidents that we should have been given 50m were called properly, we could have won.  The facts are that we are right in it, not a long way off.  The time will come.

8 minutes ago, Demonised said:

Playing catch up football is the way to dusty death.

Tomas Bugg kicks four goals instead of four points, we win.

I despair, sometimes.

Not just Buggy Boy but kicking goals helps .

I thought Dom Tyson had his best game of the year.

3 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I thought Dom Tyson had his best game of the year.

I have been saying it for a few weeks but I think Tyson is slowly working his way into a good bit of form. He seems to have got that sidestep back and finds space through traffic more and more each week. His kicks are also getting better and better. Here's hoping it continues. 

16 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Wow.. sorry Jumbo but thats enough for now. FWIW it didn't stop Jones, Tyson, Oliver, Jetta going in hard right till the end of the game.

Your the master of excuses for Jacky boy. Love him aswell but 2 weeks in a row he's had poor games. He now needs to lift. Hes coming up to his 150th game so my expectation on him is very high at the moment.

Yep, I'm done too

Can't remember these blokes playing in the ruck

20 minutes ago, Deemented Are Go! said:

Indeed, was subtly trying to highlight just that. 

Sorry - it's Monday....need coffee

2 hours ago, jumbo returns said:

Love how Watts gets potted after every loss on this forum

Awesome

I'm a big Watts fan and supporter, but he was woeful yesterday. Did not attack contests, and went half arsed into tackles and chases. Maybe his body is tiring from so much ruck work, but really it's no excuse. He has played almost 150 games, and is one of the most experienced players in our side. He should do better.

Having said that, he was not alone. Lots of very disappointing performances last night!

My Brisbane Lions 2000 fantasy is still alive but only just. They were 4-5 after nine rounds but they did win round nine. 

48 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

We still leak goals. Our defence plays a man down with Oscar.

It's not Oscar. I can't understand why supporters have such tunnel vision that they think all our woes begin and end with 1 player. Oscar did OK under the circumstances against a much much bigger and more experienced opponent.

The problem is our defensive structures. I don't like our zone defence, we are too easy to score against from a single turnover, and it kills us. We won ONE game at the G this year, that's deplorable. We can't switch fast enough on big grounds, and we've gone from being a defensively sound team, to being incredibly easy to score against on the counter attack. It's very disappointing and very worrying.

Goodwin needs to fix this and fast. If we can't win games at the G, we can't ever play or win finals. Simple.

37 minutes ago, jumbo returns said:

That was a 'dive' according to some on this forum

It's not a dive according to anyone with a modicum of sense, though.

2 hours ago, jumbo returns said:

Agree - but so many played poorly yesterday

He hasn't been singled out and he was one of our worst. I haven't seen any unfair or unwarranted criticism.

5 minutes ago, Jaded said:

I'm a big Watts fan and supporter, but he was woeful yesterday. Did not attack contests, and went half arsed into tackles and chases. Maybe his body is tiring from so much ruck work, but really it's no excuse. He has played almost 150 games, and is one of the most experienced players in our side. He should do better.

Having said that, he was not alone. Lots of very disappointing performances last night!

No he wasn't alone at all, Jones Oliver Garlett were poor as well. The point im was trying to make is that i have huge expectation on Watts. He's had 1 good year in his whole career and i don't think its unfair if supporters have a higher expectation on Jack more so then someone like a Nathan Jones. As you said hes close to 150 games, but he played like a school kid yesterday.

The key outs, the umpiring (or lack thereof), and North's pressure and tackling were all factors (they played pretty well), but when you start a game for the first 15 minutes without any intensity or effort, and then the same thing happens in the first 15 minutes of the third quarter, there is clearly a mental issue that is causing those lapses. Whether that's a "developing group" problem (IMO it's not they should be hungry at the start of a game) or a leadership issue, I'm not sure but it needs to be addressed and quickly. Soft between the ears for mine. If you're fired up and confident and aggressive then the results come. If you can't be arsed, yesterday happens.

2 hours ago, DominatrixTyson said:

Kents soft shirk of the contest in the last quarter when we were surging was [censored] diabolical. Should be dropped for at least 3 weeks for that and the match effort.

Soidee and myself mentioned this earlier in the thread, that happened right in front of me and I was in total disbelief that a man built like that wouldn't take one for the team. It was a pivotal moment for mine. Most on here have great views on the game but in reality, to allow North 13 scoring shots in the first quarter was probably where we lost the game. Our boys worked so hard to get back as they have all year and that leaves no margin for error so I expect mistakes by foot or hand as the risk is higher. Don't forget, we trailed the Crows by 28 and everything came off that night, yesterday it didn't.

Edited May 22, 20178 yr by Demon77

^{While yesterday was hugely disappointing and hurts a lot, I am trying to take a glass half full approach. We are a better side than North and should have won, but with the competition so close, unexpected losses and unexpected wins will happen (e.g. losing against North, winning against Adelaide).}

^{The absence of Gawn and Hogan is really being felt and if I told you that they’d only play for 3 and 4, respectively, of the first 12 games before the season started, you would have felt our chances were obliterated entirely – but they aren’t. We have been competitive in all our matches and have found ourselves in a winning position in every match. And ultimately, whilst our inconsistency does raise doubts, we still can make finals.}  

^{The reality of our situation is that we are still an inexperienced side and our winning culture still needs to be nurtured and developed before we can be considered a serious side. However, all it takes is one win for everything to click and I do believe that win will come this season. When it comes, it may be just enough time for us to string some games together and make finals, and it may be too late but will set us up well for a strong chance in 2018.}

^{We’re steering in the right direction and this will be the team and Goody will be the coach to break our premiership drought.}

 ^{NB: it will be the team once we have added either May or Lever to our back-line} 

Edited May 22, 20178 yr by qwerty7

I'm not one for criticising fringe players for being fringe players but Kent yesterday was truly as insipid as it gets. Deserves 6 weeks at Casey at least. 

4 minutes ago, america de cali said:

I'm not one for criticising fringe players for being fringe players but Kent yesterday was truly as insipid as it gets. Deserves 6 weeks at Casey at least. 

I'm a very big fan of Kent but I have to agree. Turned it up 

25 minutes ago, Jaded said:

It's not Oscar. I can't understand why supporters have such tunnel vision that they think all our woes begin and end with 1 player. Oscar did OK under the circumstances against a much much bigger and more experienced opponent.

The problem is our defensive structures. I don't like our zone defence, we are too easy to score against from a single turnover, and it kills us. We won ONE game at the G this year, that's deplorable. We can't switch fast enough on big grounds, and we've gone from being a defensively sound team, to being incredibly easy to score against on the counter attack. It's very disappointing and very worrying.

Goodwin needs to fix this and fast. If we can't win games at the G, we can't ever play or win finals. Simple.

I hear ya Jaded but go back have another look. Watch how Oscar plays on Brown etc ( or doesn't !! )

Oscar brings a new meaning to 'catch up footy '

See that swamp dweller Scott was being critical of us for getting physical with his boys. What a pathetic, wingeing bastard - especially when he was well known as a sniper when playing.  

1 hour ago, beelzebub said:

Actually i did to. Hence my comments earlier that he looked ill. 

I thought that too.

He actually did quite well a couple of times when he went into the ruck (mainly because when he was in the ruck he wasn't constantly being held off the ball), but was only there for about 3 minutes at a time.

41 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

He hasn't been singled out and he was one of our worst. I haven't seen any unfair or unwarranted criticism.

I have

A good reality check - not happy with a loss, I still see progress. 

Get up for the next two rounds (collingwood will be a real bloody good test) and we are in with a sniff.

I've seen enough progress this year (whats being the maximum loss by (4 goals??)) to be pretty content going forward.

Not that I am inherently an optimistic person. 

Also, for those that can't stand Goodwin riffing about being in a developmental phase - what would you like him to say?

"We made errors, at costly times, and its our role as coaching staff to consistently work on this from an intellectual, physical and strategic perspective, to ensure that we as a team don't do this?" - well, that's what they do day in day out anyway. 

I really feel some of us (understandably) want perfection out there on a moment to moment basis. One thing you can't fault throughout this season, has been the energy and the effort throughout games...