On 23/04/2017 at 04:55, martin said:

May have been construed as 'hysterical',nevertheless, it's his fourth or fifth head knock and a cause for serious concern.Others have had long periods out of the game or even retired with fewer knocks than Brayshaw. Ongoing affects and repercussions cannot be minimized.

There are degrees of everything and unless you're his medic you don't know his condition, or the severity of this knock, or some of his others.

I prefer to wait for the facts, rather than speculate on what I don't know.

It's been reported not long ago that he's likely to play next week, which is further affirmation for me that I take no notice of the emotional bloviations from others not in the "know".

  On 23/04/2017 at 05:00, ProDee said:

There are degrees of everything and unless you're his medic you don't know his condition, or the severity of this knock, or some of his others.

I prefer to wait for the facts, rather than speculate on what I don't know.

It's been reported not long ago that he's likely to play next week, which is further affirmation for me that I take no notice of the emotional bloviations from others not in the "know".

Fair enough but u weren't the least concerned when he was withdrawn early from the game with a head knock given his history?

  On 23/04/2017 at 00:20, hardtack said:

Such as yourself? If the appropriate medical specialists can irrefutably say that he is fit to play on, then yes, he may well decide to... however, I would not be relying on a club doctor's assessment.

If the Carlton Club doctor was monitoring this he'd be writing an obituary for the MRP this week.

  On 23/04/2017 at 05:03, martin said:

Fair enough but u weren't the least concerned when he was withdrawn early from the game with a head knock given his history?

I didn't like reading it.  Unlike some, I really rate him as a talent and don't like seeing more potential setbacks.  But I didn't start thinking the worst.  More likely another hiccup.

Then I started reading posters suggesting his career may be over, or he's not cut out for AFL footy, or he needs to take 4 weeks off, etc. etc.  This is the type of ill-informed speculation that grates on me.  

I prefer to wait for the facts.  

I think the club is very cautious with head knocks and treats their players conservatively.  

Herald Sun reporting (from Josh Mahoney interview on Triple M) that he is fine and playing future not under threat.

Mahoney mentioned it was on the minor end of the spectrum and he is in contention to play next weekend.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/melbourne/melbourne-believe-angus-brayshaws-career-not-under-threat-despite-another-concussion/news-story/916ae01dca1d24bf09e80364c90fef43

  On 23/04/2017 at 05:14, ProDee said:

I didn't like reading it.  Unlike some, I really rate him as a talent and don't like seeing more potential setbacks.  But I didn't start thinking the worst.  More likely another hiccup.

Then I started reading posters suggesting his career may be over, or he's not cut out for AFL footy, or he needs to take 4 weeks off, etc. etc.  This is the type of ill-informed speculation that grates on me.  

I prefer to wait for the facts.  

I think the club is very cautious with head knocks and treats their players conservatively.  

Agreed but he really can't afford any more in the foreseeable future. This mainly for his sake but also a team does not want to be a player short early in a game.

  On 23/04/2017 at 05:21, martin said:

Agreed but he really can't afford any more in the foreseeable future. This mainly for his sake but also a team does not want to be a player short early in a game.

It wouldn't be great, but once again I'm not sure of the veracity of this statement.

  On 23/04/2017 at 02:02, TRIGON said:

Daniel undertook an intensive cognitive rehabilitation regime. After 6-months his memory, concentration and task switching were at the elite level. He subsequently went on to pass through the MFB selection process, which is a great credit to him.

How much this will protect his long-term brain health cannot yet be determined.

Credit should also go to Josh Mahoney, who directed Daniel towards people who could help him.

Great news

No escaping the 'fact' that when Angus receives a head knock it's,at the very least, a game ending injury for him. Can't continue for him and the club.

  On 22/04/2017 at 11:59, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

This could be interesting...

 

(Hulett)

Could be VERY interesting. If you can slide him into the team as a swingman, then the need for Smith is lessened. Could be the guy who takes on third tall in top heavy sides, and slide forward to lead up and take some grabs. Starting to get excited about him now. I love a late pick KP player who gets 3-4 years without pressure, and blossoms cos of it. Imagine if Watts got that kind of time to figure the game out.

  On 22/04/2017 at 21:19, Nasher said:

If anything, getting the sulks up further justifies it.

Compare and contrast to the Tom Bugg response.

We can compare and contrast Bugg's output with Kent's, but not the psychology of their responses. You usually provide a dissenting rational voice on these sorts of runaway conclusions. We have no idea if Kent cracked the sads, but soon enough it'll be considered a fact around here that Dean Kent has a propensity for sulking. Maybe he was rattled by Gus going down, and Bugg is just a heartless [censored] and selfish team-man? Who knows.

Thanks KC and all posters, great to get the win, sounds like Bugg played an exceptional game for four quarters and should work his way back into the side if he keeps that form up, sorry for Gus we need him back in the side and running through the mid field. He is being targeted and may need some form of protection. GO Casey, Go Dee's !!!!

  On 23/04/2017 at 06:35, Skuit said:

We can compare and contrast Bugg's output with Kent's, but not the psychology of their responses. You usually provide a dissenting rational voice on these sorts of runaway conclusions. We have no idea if Kent cracked the sads, but soon enough it'll be considered a fact around here that Dean Kent has a propensity for sulking. Maybe he was rattled by Gus going down, and Bugg is just a heartless [censored] and selfish team-man? Who knows.

To be clear, I wasn't implying that there was any merit whatsoever in the assertion that Kent had cracked the sads - I agree it's probably BS.  Just arguing the point that if he had cracked the sads, I didn't agree with the "who could blame him" call.

  On 23/04/2017 at 01:48, old dee said:

Angus is facing a serious injury that could end his career ...

Every player who runs onto a footy field at this level faces a serious injury that could end their career.

Hyperbole not helping. If it's potentially such a serious injury, then it merits a serious discussion.

  On 23/04/2017 at 04:37, Lord Travis said:

It's just a rougher league due to less skill and less video evidence to get into trouble with.

Yes. And one more reason why form at VFL level needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

  On 23/04/2017 at 03:43, Wadda We Sing said:

From here or live here?.......no we are not all bad, and i was hardly alluding to that. But you have to admit there is a certain type of #$%^^% here that would participate in such an act. 

Oh hell yes plenty of scum bags, too many ice heads 

  On 23/04/2017 at 05:29, martin said:

No escaping the 'fact' that when Angus receives a head knock it's,at the very least, a game ending injury for him. Can't continue for him and the club.

That's simply not true, you're confusing concussion with a head knock. Concussion is a specific condition with specific symptoms. Not all head knocks lead to concussion, e.g., the knee to the head that Brayshaw received last AFL game.

So not to continue this derailment of this thread into concussion talks, but the hit on Brayshaw was after he had desposed of the ball and Casey will look to get footage to present to the MRP to hopefully get some kind of repercussions to what was a dirty hit in a side that reportedly played dirty all game.

Brayhaw health is a priority beyond footy!

Are we jinxed though as most of our early picks have had  issues

Brayshaw- concussions

Petracca- Knee reco

Hogan- back issues

Trengove- foot

Disposal statistics are out -

Angus Brayshaw 3 kicks 6 handballs 9disposals 2 tackles 27 dream team points [injured]

Tomas Bugg 5 goals 1 behinds 23 kicks 9 handballs 32 disposals 6 marks 8 tackles 168 dream team points

Liam Hulett 6 kicks 5 handballs 11 disposals 2 marks 1 tackles 35 dream team points

Dion Johnstone 3 behinds 9 kicks 11 handballs 20 disposals 1 marks 7 tackles 75 dream team points 

Declan Keilty 2 goals 1 behinds 5 kicks 5 handballs 10 disposals 3 marks 8 tackles 12 hit outs 86 dream team points 

Ben Kennedy 1 behind 15 kicks 6 handballs disposals 9 marks 6 tackles 97 dream team points 

Dean Kent 1 goals 1 behind 10 kicks 4 handballs 14 disposals 1 marks 3 tackles 57 dream team points

Mitch King 2 kicks 5 handballs 7 disposals 2 marks 4 tackles 26 hit outs 59 dream team points

Oscar McDonald 8 kicks 8 disposals 3 marks 1 tackles 38 dream team points 

Corey Maynard 1 goal 9 kicks 14 handballs 23 disposals 2 marks 6 tackles 92 dream team points 

Cameron Pedersen 2 goals 1 behinds 7 kicks 9 handballs 16 disposals 6 marks 8 tackles 10 hit outs 110 dream team points  

Jack Trengove 9 kicks 9 handballs 18 disposals 5 marks 8 tackles 85 dream team points 

Mitchell White 21 kicks 4 handballs 25 disposals 8 marks 4 tackles 108 dream team points

20 touches and 3 scoring shots for Dion Johnstone.  Can anyone who was at the game tell us how he looked in action? Looking forward to watching his development.

  On 23/04/2017 at 04:10, daisycutter said:

don't have much, if any, video for most vfl games

That's pretty poor as some of the local comps now have it from all games...surely the VFL should be ahead of the game but more and more it appears to be a tired competition.

I know this won't be popular but maybe it's time for the AFL to cut ties and work out a true 2nd tier competition to reflect the AFL season.

  On 23/04/2017 at 10:42, rjay said:

That's pretty poor as some of the local comps now have it from all games...surely the VFL should be ahead of the game but more and more it appears to be a tired competition.

I know this won't be popular but maybe it's time for the AFL to cut ties and work out a true 2nd tier competition to reflect the AFL season.

they do make some strange scheduling decisions

some clubs do take some of their own videos, but not multiple views, good positioning or good quality, generally more long shots too

Going by the stats thats a great return from Mitch King.

  On 23/04/2017 at 10:54, dazzledavey36 said:

Going by the stats thats a great return from Mitch King.

Will be good to get some games into him 'dazzle', would be very handy now if he were up and about.