On 16/07/2017 at 06:18, A F said:

Last night was simply an imperfect storm of all our defenders (with the except of perhaps Jetta) having absolute shockers. Hibberd, despite getting a heap of it was terrible; Frost probably cost us 5 goals alone; Oscar struggled; and Joel Smith looked completely lost again 

I reckon Lever's soft issue injury history is a slight concern. How many times has he been injured already this year?

All the more reason to get a "leader" into the backline. I see leadership in Jake Lever. Nev Jetta is a leader, but he is too small to do it all by himself. 

  On 16/07/2017 at 06:40, ProDee said:

Frost is a chronic fumbler.

A classic case of being an athlete, not a footballer.

  On 16/07/2017 at 06:18, A F said:

story is a slight concern. How many times has he been injured already this year?

His constant hammy injuries are a concern, especially if they're related to his previous ACL tear.

Sam McClure saying we are front runners along with the Bulldogs on SEN Breakfast.

Lyon was asked whether he knew anything about it and he said 'no' while smiling and nodding.

  On 11/07/2017 at 16:17, Garbo said:

I hope we arent trying to get him or Kelly, I can only think of 2 big trades Hawks: Burgoyne and Dogs: Boyd (arguably would have won anyway and forced by Griffen walking) to teams who then went on to win a flag, it's the smart trades for a player on the outer at there current side or the free agent since you give nothing up in return you want to go after. The hawks are the best example of this, they trageted free agents and players needing a 2nd chance. That or you draft a premiership team like the cats.

You don't have to look far for the converse. Swans recently with Tippett and Buddy, Cats with Danger, Blues with Daisy and Judd, Pies with Adam Treloar, Taylor Adams, Tigers with Prestia, Lions with Fevola, us with Mitch Clarke, Hawks this year for O'meara. I'm sure there are many more but you get the point

Gunston - Trade

Gibson - Trade

Hale - Trade

Lake - Trade

McEvoy - Trade

Mitchell - Trade

Omeara - Trade

Not sure any of these trades where guys looking for a 2nd chance. Maybe Lake and you could say Hale but not sure guys traded for a first round pick is looking for a 2nd chance.

Edited July 17, 20177 yr by Grimes Times

Excuse me for not reading all of the 23 pages but I have dipped in and out of this thread a few times. A couple of questions.

1.Will we have to trade picks and/or players to get him?

2. 600K sounds light in current terms and if it is more what does it do for retaining the large number of key players we need to sign next year?

  On 16/07/2017 at 05:27, Sir Why You Little said:

Last night showed how far our Defence needs to improve. 

I hope the Purple Creature is on the money with this one. 

Personally I think it's our forward line that needs work. Tom will go back and fill the hole but while he's been good fwd, he isnt the answer. We still need another key forward IMO, especially if Sam takes a bit longer.

  On 17/07/2017 at 04:24, SFebey said:

Personally I think it's our forward line that needs work. Tom will go back and fill the hole but while he's been good fwd, he isnt the answer. We still need another key forward IMO, especially if Sam takes a bit longer.

TMac is a better forward than defender, his kicking from HB is too erratic

  On 16/07/2017 at 22:49, ChaserJ said:

Sam McClure saying we are front runners along with the Bulldogs on SEN Breakfast.

Lyon was asked whether he knew anything about it and he said 'no' while smiling and nodding.

Smiling and nodding on SEN?

Edited July 17, 20177 yr by DominatrixTyson

  On 16/07/2017 at 22:49, ChaserJ said:

Sam McClure saying we are front runners along with the Bulldogs on SEN Breakfast.

Lyon was asked whether he knew anything about it and he said 'no' while smiling and nodding.

The Purple Punce repeated this on AAA on afl.com...

  On 17/07/2017 at 06:12, DominatrixTyson said:

Smiling and nodding on SEN?

The show is streamed on AFL website on Mondays.

  On 16/07/2017 at 06:40, ProDee said:

Frost is a chronic fumbler.

And Omac is a phonic crumbler. Footsteps and his composure goes to pieces.

Realistically the crows would want this and next years first rounders at least for lever. 

  On 17/07/2017 at 09:26, Abe said:

Realistically the crows would want this and next years first rounders at least for lever. 

They can ask all they like, but if he's ooc and he nominates us it would be best for them to meet in the middle rather than him go for nothing. 

  On 17/07/2017 at 09:06, Skuit said:

And Omac is a phonic crumbler. Footsteps and his composure goes to pieces.

One thing i've noticed is that he'll run into an oncoming tackle while holding the ball low in preperation to kick it. He sometimes just runs head on into tackles and doesn't do anything because his body has already made up its mind to go for a kick. His flexibility reminds me of Ben Holland. Like having a giraffe in defence. Needs to be more flexible with his hand eye coordination and get his hands up over his head to brace a tackle and fire off a quick handball.

Edited July 17, 20177 yr by DominatrixTyson

  On 17/07/2017 at 09:34, DominatrixTyson said:

One thing i've noticed is that he'll run into an oncoming tackle while holding the ball low in preperation to kick it. He sometimes just runs into tackles like a donkey and doesn't do anything. Needs to be more flexible with his hand eye coordination and get his hands up over his head to brace a tackle and fire off a quick handball.

I'm certain it's to do with his vision and depth perception. Needs corrective lenses. OPSMac.

  On 17/07/2017 at 09:34, DominatrixTyson said:

One thing i've noticed is that he'll run into an oncoming tackle while holding the ball low in preperation to kick it. He sometimes just runs head on into tackles and doesn't do anything because his body has already made up its mind to go for a kick. His flexibility reminds me of Ben Holland. Like having a giraffe in defence. Needs to be more flexible with his hand eye coordination and get his hands up over his head to brace a tackle and fire off a quick handball.

Good points DT. Lucky he's very young, very coachable and very much in need of 20,000 protein shakes

  On 17/07/2017 at 09:32, Moonshadow said:

They can ask all they like, but if he's ooc and he nominates us it would be best for them to meet in the middle rather than him go for nothing. 

You'd like to think so. But the middle is probably this years first rounder and ANB, or this years first rounder and next years second rounder.

I'm not sure you could offer him 5+ years at $800k a year but then tell the Crows he's not worth anymore than pick 12 in what is regarded as a weak draft. 

  On 17/07/2017 at 09:39, Skuit said:

I'm certain it's to do with his vision and depth perception. Needs corrective lenses. OPSMac.

Perhaps a white stick and a dog

  On 17/07/2017 at 10:35, chook fowler said:

Perhaps a white stick and a dog

He is the white stick.

  On 17/07/2017 at 10:30, Watts Jurrah Dunn? said:

You'd like to think so. But the middle is probably this years first rounder and ANB, or this years first rounder and next years second rounder.

I'm not sure you could offer him 5+ years at $800k a year but then tell the Crows he's not worth anymore than pick 12 in what is regarded as a weak draft. 

Done. Where do we sign? 

If Lever decides to go it will be interesting to see what Adelaide want for him.

Their best offer for Gibbs was '2016 year's first-round pick (pick #15), a small slide of an early future draft pick and former rookie Jake Kelly'.

Lever and Gibbs are at different stages of their careers but it would be hard for Adelaide to demand more than they offered for Gibbs.  And technically they had to offer overs for Gibbs as he was under contract.

So on Adelaide's 2016 value system a good first round pick and steak knives should do it!

  On 17/07/2017 at 09:26, Abe said:

Realistically the crows would want this and next years first rounders at least for lever. 

Lever is no Dangerfield. If we were to hand over two first rounders I'd be wanting to see one of them turned into another very handy player from another club.

  On 16/07/2017 at 23:51, Grimes Times said:

Gunston - Trade

Gibson - Trade

Hale - Trade

Lake - Trade

McEvoy - Trade

Mitchell - Trade

Omeara - Trade

Not sure any of these trades where guys looking for a 2nd chance. Maybe Lake and you could say Hale but not sure guys traded for a first round pick is looking for a 2nd chance.

I was more referring to the hawks team that won the flags. At any rate my point was more around not selling the farm to get players in either via trades or big $. Getting someone like Lever in will require both these. What does that mean for say Petracca when he comes out of contract, how can the team sell the line that he should stay for less when we bring in mercenaries on big $

Omeara was a horrible trade and one that I hope demons don't replicate 

I think it would be similar to the Treloar deal.

We pay: 1st round, 4th round, 2018 1st round.

We get: Lever, 2nd round pick.