Training - Tuesday 14 March, 2017

[martin 727]

Encouraging to see Garlett, Jetta, Kennedy and Kent in the main group. Smith,Wagner and Weideman in rehab. Frost there but no running as yet. JKH had a kick, looked Ok but retired early.

[martin 727]

Hibberd also in rehab but moving freely joining in sprint work.

[Gorgoroth 12,447]

Is Hibberds sprints at full pace or 3/4?

[Wrecker45 3,378]

Do they put players in rehab to balance the workload? If not what happened to Weid?

[DemonLad5 1,642]

Really doubting Hibberd for round 1 at this point

[martin 727]

Hibberd looked very good. Sprinted close to full pace. Almost certain to play at Casey this week. Frost's training was ramped up later in the session. Plenty of one one one,sprints and fast lap running. Asked,and was given permission to kick on his left foot which he did with apparent ease. A chance for Sunday but round one unlikely. Looks very focused though.

[martin 727]

58 minutes ago, Wrecker45 said:

Do they put players in rehab to balance the workload? If not what happened to Weid?

Weideman just looked sore. I've got doubts he'll play against the Saints.

[Bring-Back-Powell 13,683]

4 minutes ago, martin said:

Weideman just looked sore. I've got doubts he'll play against the Saints.

I don't think he should play even if he's 110% fit.

[DeeSpencer 23,695]

I got there late so I missed the rehab group.

Watts hurt his shoulder near the end and didn't finish the session. Looked like a stinger but I guess time will tell. The forwards where doing a drill where Chaplin kicked the ball up to 2 players from about 30 out and they both flew for the mark. Hulett came in from one side and shifted Watts in the air with his body and he landed pretty heavily on his shoulder. Too be honest it looked to be a pretty dangerous drill so I wasn't all the surprised when someone went down.

Goodwin spent a long time with Oscar McDonald near the end of the session getting him to spoil Max one on one. He actually did pretty well, made some nice left hand spoils, held his ground and put his body in. Then Goodwin and Oscar were practising rapid fire short kicking on both sides of the body. They've often taken Oscar aside for some agility stuff before, so it seems the senior coach is continuing that theme of getting him moving. He has the skills so he just needs the intensity.

Petracca, Brayshaw, Tommy Mc, Kennedy and Oliver did a kicking drill together. 

Kent provided some energy in the match simulation drills (10 v 7 using the corridor only). When it's on his kicking is a weapon.

Hannan still a chance for rd 1 IMO, just offers something different to the rest of those in the half forward mix.

Garlett training well, mostly with the main group but also did a few laps at good pace.

 

[martin 727]

20 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

I don't think he should play even if he's 110% fit.

Agreed

[DubDee 22,193]

Pedo train ? A chance for a round one call up I wonder??

[Demon Jack 6,472]

1 hour ago, DeeSpencer said:

I got there late so I missed the rehab group.

Watts hurt his shoulder near the end and didn't finish the session. Looked like a stinger but I guess time will tell. The forwards where doing a drill where Chaplin kicked the ball up to 2 players from about 30 out and they both flew for the mark. Hulett came in from one side and shifted Watts in the air with his body and he landed pretty heavily on his shoulder. Too be honest it looked to be a pretty dangerous drill so I wasn't all the surprised when someone went down.

Goodwin spent a long time with Oscar McDonald near the end of the session getting him to spoil Max one on one. He actually did pretty well, made some nice left hand spoils, held his ground and put his body in. Then Goodwin and Oscar were practising rapid fire short kicking on both sides of the body. They've often taken Oscar aside for some agility stuff before, so it seems the senior coach is continuing that theme of getting him moving. He has the skills so he just needs the intensity.

Petracca, Brayshaw, Tommy Mc, Kennedy and Oliver did a kicking drill together. 

Kent provided some energy in the match simulation drills (10 v 7 using the corridor only). When it's on his kicking is a weapon.

Hannon still a chance for rd 1 IMO, just offers something different to the rest of those in the half forward mix.

Garlett training well, mostly with the main group but also did a few laps at good pace.

 

I'm a big fan of Hannon. I watched a few VFL games last year and he looked a lively prospect. I'm not sure if he was injured but I was surprised he wasn't given a run during the JLT series. I think he provides some X-factor, which is exactly what our forward line lacked over the pre-season. 

I doubt he's in the coaches minds for round 1 but I'm sure we'll see him at some stage this year. 

Edited March 14, 2017 by Demon Jack

[martin 727]

8 minutes ago, DubDee said:

Pedo train ? A chance for a round one call up I wonder??

Looked fit and fully involved. Providing a reasonable hit out at Casey I would have him up forward v StKilda. No Weideman or Spencer.

[Devil is in the Detail 883]

10 minutes ago, martin said:

Looked fit and fully involved. Providing a reasonable hit out at Casey I would have him up forward v StKilda. No Weideman or Spencer.

I always thought that Pedo, Watts and Hogan a good synergy last year.

[Earl Hood 5,890]

1 hour ago, DubDee said:

Pedo train ? A chance for a round one call up I wonder??

I got there for about 40 minutes and at one stage Max, Spencil and Pedo were doing a drill where a coach kicked the ball high for a contested marking situation in pairs, Max vs Spencil then Pedo v Max, Spencil v Pedo with Greg Stafford providing advice on body positioning each time. To me this was working on their contested forward marking skills as the resting ruck, deep in the forward line. Does it mean that Spencil or Pedo are in the mix as back up to Max? Who knows.

The rest of the sessions while I was there were several quarter ground keepings off drills 5 attacking vs 4 defending, sometimes kicking, sometimes only handball. It all looked very sharp. One early drill they were using their non preferred foot. Mitch King was in full training even though he was listed as a LTI a few weeks ago I thought.

I would have liked to see a bit more full ground simulation to get a feel for the game plan and who might be lining up where but no indication from today's drills. They might occur at one of those closed sessions at Gosch's.

 

[Satyriconhome 10,094]

Hulett is the new Viney, also got Hannan in same drill with an elbow,  luckily he now has mouthguard

 

[Satyriconhome 10,094]

To follow up what Earl H said, Mitch King did whole session including crashing to the ground in one drill and ruck work at the end, on the LTI to manage?

Hibberd just working through his issue, looked unencumbered during the session

Joel Smith has 'foot' issue

[Moonshadow 16,659]

2 hours ago, martin said:

Looked fit and fully involved. Providing a reasonable hit out at Casey I would have him up forward v StKilda. No Weideman or Spencer.

IMO Spencer has given himself every chance of playing R1 alongside Max. He's had a very good preseason and impressive community cup games. I always thought he was ruck insurance, but I'm coming around to thinking that there might be a case for playing him over Pedo. Maybe that's partly because we haven't seen Pedo in the C Cup games. It's certainly one of the more interesting selection dilemmas as we turn into the season proper.

[Vineytime 796]

What days & times is training normally on? I would like to go and watch one day this week or next. 

[Satyriconhome 10,094]

11 minutes ago, Vineytime said:

What days & times is training normally on? I would like to go and watch one day this week or next. 

You may have a better chance next week, assume they will have one well publicised pre Rd 1 session, today was only Open Session and the first on a Tuesday, there is a Casey prsctice game coming up over the weekend if you live down that way

[DemonLad5 1,642]

Will people be asked to leave if they attend a non-open training session?

[Earl Hood 5,890]

4 minutes ago, DemonLad5 said:

Will people be asked to leave if they attend a non-open training session?

No they can't at Gosch's it is a public space and I went to one session that was unannounced last month by accident, I just riding past in hope. I noticed a few coaches looking at me and I think there was one other spectator but unfortunately there was no IP on display, it was just a low key run around after the camp in Maroochydore. 

[Akum 2,660]

For whatever reason, I can see them picking Spencer & Weideman and dropping Watts.

Rightly or wrongly, being pushed aside by Hulett in a marking contest is exactly the sort of thing that won't go down well with Goodwin.

And whatever the drawbacks, which are obvious to many of us, to picking Spencer, they simply won't let it go. And to simulate a true marking contest in the square, they'll need one tall defender in front, one body-to-body and one coming over the back. One-on-one duels in the goal square simply won't happen unless we move the ball about twice as fast as we've done so far.

[Satyriconhome 10,094]

9 minutes ago, Akum said:

For whatever reason, I can see them picking Spencer & Weideman and dropping Watts.

Rightly or wrongly, being pushed aside by Hulett in a marking contest is exactly the sort of thing that won't go down well with Goodwin.

And whatever the drawbacks, which are obvious to many of us, to picking Spencer, they simply won't let it go. And to simulate a true marking contest in the square, they'll need one tall defender in front, one body-to-body and one coming over the back. One-on-one duels in the goal square simply won't happen unless we move the ball about twice as fast as we've done so far.

So you actuaaly saw Watts pushed aside?

[Akum 2,660]

1 hour ago, Satyriconhome said:

So you actuaaly saw Watts pushed aside?

No Saty, I was just going on DeeSpencer's report:

9 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

I got there late so I missed the rehab group.

Watts hurt his shoulder near the end and didn't finish the session. Looked like a stinger but I guess time will tell. The forwards where doing a drill where Chaplin kicked the ball up to 2 players from about 30 out and they both flew for the mark. Hulett came in from one side and shifted Watts in the air with his body and he landed pretty heavily on his shoulder. Too be honest it looked to be a pretty dangerous drill so I wasn't all the surprised when someone went down.

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For whatever reason, I wouldn't be surprised to see Spencer in & Watts out, with something like this as the excuse.