2 hours ago, nutbean said:

Again all speculation as to who would be more valuable in final...

Who won the Norm Smith medal last year ? (which I didn't agree with) - I know that Johannisen plays HBF - but both are more outside players ( I think Parish actually gets more of his own hardball than Johannisen) - same height and almost the same weight. Both to a large extent both need the heavy lifters to get the ball out to them, or at least need space to be at their most destructive. 

All I know is we got an absolute pearler in Oliver and I believe that Essendon got a beauty as well. Both are valuable but in entirely different ways.

i was surprised to see johannisen was only 180cm 

2 hours ago, rjay said:

Parish gets his own ball, he's very good on the inside and outside plus he uses it well.

I don't know where you get this idea of him needing others to get it for him...the kid is a very good footballer.

Don't get me wrong. I think we pulled the right reign in Oliver, the kid is a gun.

...but because Oliver is a gun it doesn't make Parish an also ran.

We're not talking Toumpas/Wines here.

Absolutely, and Parish won't get caught out in the heat of a final. 

We all know that Oliver is a contested ball winning beast and he came 60th in the league for contested possessions, which is terrific for a first year teenager, but Parish is no slouch in the cp department either.  In fact he came 69th.

49% of Oliver's possessions were contested, which is an elite ratio, while 43% of Parish's possessions were contested, which is also excellent.

The number 1 player in the game for CP (total) was Josh Kennedy, who averaged 54% and Dangerfield averaged 50%.

By percentages Patrick Cripps is no.1 in the league at 62%.

2 hours ago, daisycutter said:

it was surprised to see johannisen was only 180cm 

It depends on how he is measured. If they measure him from the top of his scalp he is 180cm. If they measure him from the top of his hair he is 216cm.

(you knew that was coming didn't you, DC ?)

Edited March 16, 20178 yr by nutbean

5 hours ago, ProDee said:

Absolutely, and Parish won't get caught out in the heat of a final. 

We all know that Oliver is a contested ball winning beast and he came 60th in the league for contested possessions, which is terrific for a first year teenager, but Parish is no slouch in the cp department either.  In fact he came 69th.

49% of Oliver's possessions were contested, which is an elite ratio, while 43% of Parish's possessions were contested, which is also excellent.

The number 1 player in the game for CP (total) was Josh Kennedy, who averaged 54% and Dangerfield averaged 50%.

By percentages Patrick Cripps is no.1 in the league at 62%.

Oliver will be right up with Cripps this year. In fact, I predict he'll surpass Cripps this season.

49 minutes ago, A F said:

Oliver will be right up with Cripps this year. In fact, I predict he'll surpass Cripps this season.

Possibly.  I hope Oliver develops his outside game so that he stays around the 50% CP mark, but gets more of it.

What I really like is that despite some off field issues at the start of pre season Oliver is now in tipping condition and looks set for a really good year 

 

58 minutes ago, ProDee said:

Possibly.  I hope Oliver develops his outside game so that he stays around the 50% CP mark, but gets more of it.

IMO Oliver's biggest issue last year was his tank. He couldn't run out games. If he can run out four quarters, even three and a half quarters regularly, he will rack up the stats. 25-30 possessions per week easily. And as you say PD, if he continues to develop his outside game, he'll have no problem hitting 30 touches weekly. The West Coast game should be his blue print for the rest of 2017. He used his feet superbly to open up play, but still got a tone of it inside as well.

Hogan will be a star and what he's managed to do for a CHF is nothing short of phenomenal, but Oliver has walked straight in (similar to Ollie Wines really) and had a major impact on the inside. That's why I have Clarry's ceiling as higher than Jesse's, but I want both of them in my team. They're both match winners. 

It's important to note that the biggest difference between the ceiling of someone like Wines and even my favourite Cripps, is Clarry's ability by hand and in particular by foot. Both of those other guys are limited by foot. For mine Clarry is a Sam Mitchell clone.

8 hours ago, A F said:

Oliver will be right up with Cripps this year. In fact, I predict he'll surpass Cripps this season.

Cripps is a physical beast, I think he is underrated by many.

I love Oliver, but I'd be shocked if he surpassed Cripps any time soon.

His hands in close remind me of Simon Black.

2 hours ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Cripps is a physical beast, I think he is underrated by many.

I love Oliver, but I'd be shocked if he surpassed Cripps any time soon.

Cripps is going to be one of the best in the league, Oli is on the path but not there yet. Cripps dominance against us late last season was incredible to watch.

Trenners wants in on it.

 

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27 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Clarry Choo Choo, The clearance king just keeps rolling along! Irresistable game from a soon to be superstar!

I wish Clarry moved like shinkansen! I have him more in the "James" from Thomas the tank engine category. More of a solid worker than a jet.

Interesting that Jordan Lewis on TV today said what's surprised him is Clarrie' leg speed.

Mentioned in another thread but an inside mid who has 36 touches at 91% DE is almost unheard of.

Clearance Oliver is fast becoming a fav

"The Machine"

How many 19 year olds midfielders have played a game that dominant?  Not many I would guess.

 

His game yesterday was off the charts, absolutely unstoppable 

What I think goes unnoticed about clarry a bit given his grunt and amazing quick hands is his ball use, went at 88% and opened the game right up multiple times. 

Hes a beast on the inside but looks capable of doing serious damage on the outside. 

1 hour ago, Petraccattack said:

How many 19 year olds midfielders have played a game that dominant?  Not many I would guess.

 

Maybe Chris Judd. Bodes well for us!

 

18 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

How many 19 year olds midfielders have played a game that dominant?  Not many I would guess.

 

I took this as a challenge, I think I felt a compulsion to get a lid on. But really, even after looking over a whole lot of top picks and players in recent years, there just aren't many cases.

I've done a run-through of the other 'teen star' contenders, I would be quite happy to have them be Oliver's peers and equals!

The obvious 'set' of stars who managed to dominate a few games even as teenagers includes -

Fyfe, Martin, Selwood, Bontempelli, Macrae and Cripps

Others worth noting -

Toby Greene, Harley Bennell, Chad Wingard, Oliver Wines, Isaac Heeney

Lance Franklin managed two bags of six in his second season, but it wasn't until his third that he really took off (game for game, Hogan is a mile ahead of his curve   )

 

For the record, saturday's effort was definitely the best individual game so far from anyone in Oliver's draft.

It will be interesting to see how he goes when he cops a tag, which seems inevitable.

Given his best work is done in close and with such quick hands, I'm not sure they would be able to stop him.

18 minutes ago, Forest Demon said:

It will be interesting to see how he goes when he cops a tag, which seems inevitable.

Given his best work is done in close and with such quick hands, I'm not sure they would be able to stop him.

I am extremely confident he will be fine! So much of his best work is In tight anyways and if they tag him it leaves Viney jones and Lewis on their own which seems dangerous amazing to think dom Tyson who I seriously rate is probably 5th or 6th in line in our mids now. 

6 minutes ago, Abe said:

I am extremely confident he will be fine! So much of his best work is In tight anyways and if they tag him it leaves Viney jones and Lewis on their own which seems dangerous amazing to think dom Tyson who I seriously rate is probably 5th or 6th in line in our mids now. 

Mids Mids Mids

a few years ago we had about 2 of them!!