52 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

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I'm not sure Simon Goodwin will be as conservative as Roos was. Joel Smith is very close to my best 22 and if he plays well in preseason he might just get in.

The fact that everyone is entitled to their own opinion is one of the beauties of a forum such as this, but to me that is very optimistic, premature and / or fairytale thinking. 

I do hope you end up right by the way. 

11 minutes ago, monoccular said:

The fact that everyone is entitled to their own opinion is one of the beauties of a forum such as this, but to me that is very optimistic, premature and / or fairytale thinking. 

I do hope you end up right by the way. 

Mono, I think this is exactly where I stand on the subject.  Thanks for wording it in a way that I couldn't!!!

1 hour ago, DeeSpencer said:

I'm not sure Simon Goodwin will be as conservative as Roos was. Joel Smith is very close to my best 22 and if he plays well in preseason he might just get in.

DeeSpencer I'm a huge fan of Smith having watching him a number of times at Casey.  I don't think he will be at Round 1 but by the end of the year I think you will be right. 

1 hour ago, monoccular said:

The fact that everyone is entitled to their own opinion is one of the beauties of a forum such as this, but to me that is very optimistic, premature and / or fairytale thinking. 

I do hope you end up right by the way. 

 

I don't really care about being right or wrong. To sound a bit like Saty I want all of our players to do as well as they can and for the best team to come through. 

That being said here's my thinking.. I'm not convinced of Hibberd as the 3rd tall defender, he's strong in the air but really not tall enough for it to be a perfect option every week. Frost is an exciting prospect and the incumbent in that position. But he's one dimensional, panics with the ball and isn't nearly as strong in the air as a guy his height should be.

Other options: Garland - nope, Keilty - doubt it, Wagner - certainly, but we'll probably have Hibberd, Vince and Salem as ball users so the balance might favour another pacy option.

My current round 1 team moves between Frost and just playing Hibberd, but either way Smith would be the next medium/tall defender in line.

16 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

My point is just to illustrate that Goodwin might see how they waited a few weeks to get those guys in last year and decide he not to be as patient this year.

I think it will be one of the more interesting things this year.  Will we play players purely on form or will we develop.  Last year there was a clear emphasis on development and getting games into players we thought would play in our "best" future team.  I don't think that will happen this year as much.  The only two I see getting games ahead of schedule are Weideman and J Smith.

19 hours ago, old dee said:

Amen to that Mr. Leg.

second that Old. 

Trengove, Tyson and vandenBerg

"Trenners had a slow start to the pre-season..."

McCartney trolling.

 

 

7 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Trengove, Tyson and vandenBerg

"Trenners had a slow start to the pre-season..."

McCartney trolling.

 

 

 

Sam Mitchell had a slow start to his pre-season and he's.....

20 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Trengove, Tyson and vandenBerg

"Trenners had a slow start to the pre-season..."

McCartney trolling.

 

 

Would be curious to know what injury Trengove was carrying through the second half of the season...

On 16/01/2017 at 9:35 PM, DeeSpencer said:

don't really care about being right or wrong. To sound a bit like Saty I want all of our players to do as well as they can and for the best team to come through.

Thank you, I don't care who is in the 22 each week

On Smith (Joel), he is developing at an alarming rate, looks better and better each session

We have another B class rookie in Maynard who takes part in everything as well and doesn't look out of place, reckon he is going to surprise in his first few games at Casey

Not sure on the Trenners injury, he's never mentioned another issue to me, always talked about getting foot right

Not much doubt in my mind that my comments Trenners will need to be an inside mid to get regular senior selection were correct based on this quote from Macca:

'the focus with him has been on some areas of his game around his footwork, agility and his ability to win the ball in tight'

(also not much doubt agility is code for speed - or lack of it as the case may be)

 

Dom Tyson

He’s really come on again. His running, his understanding of the game and where he positions himself – he’s become pretty close to an elite, first possession player. He’s very good around the ball and distributes it well. I think you’re going to see an incredible young player emerge in the next one to two years. Dom had an unfortunate setback just before Christmas, but he’s attacking his rehab in the same intensity as his pre-season.

Bloody hell. This is a wrap.

 

10 minutes ago, binman said:

Not much doubt in my mind that my comments Trenners will need to be an inside mid to get regular senior selection were correct based on this quote from Macca:

'the focus with him has been on some areas of his game around his footwork, agility and his ability to win the ball in tight'

(also not much doubt agility is code for speed - or lack of it as the case may be)

 

Actually, I didn't read "agility" as code for speed, or, at least, foot speed. I thought it meant more about the ability to move himself or the ball laterally.  

27 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Actually, I didn't read "agility" as code for speed, or, at least, foot speed. I thought it meant more about the ability to move himself or the ball laterally.  

Agree. I'm sure they want him to have more burst and evasion in tight. 

Steele Sidebottom is the only elite outside mid I can think of and he has amazing skills on both side, reads the play perfectly, is strong overhead and times his run to get to or break from contests. 

There's a heap of slow inside mids, most teams have one or two, but they usually have really good agility and strength. Sam Mitchell is the ultimate example of a guy with a great sidestep and really strong core who can stand up in tackles. 

40 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Actually, I didn't read "agility" as code for speed, or, at least, foot speed. I thought it meant more about the ability to move himself or the ball laterally.  

I don't either, I reckon it is all about him being confident in the foot, and getting his lateral movement and step up to the level it was pre injury,  hence the work he has been doing with Misso, he is not running in a straight line when doing the exercise with the large lead/band

2 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

I don't either, I reckon it is all about him being confident in the foot, and getting his lateral movement and step up to the level it was pre injury,  hence the work he has been doing with Misso, he is not running in a straight line when doing the exercise with the large lead/band

Fair enough. LDC, DS and your argument has convinced me there was no code. I for one think Trenners can be a regular senior player if he can improve the skills he needs to be a gun inside mid and as importantly average 25 possessions plus per game. 

4 hours ago, Ron Burgundy said:

Dom Tyson

He’s really come on again. His running, his understanding of the game and where he positions himself – he’s become pretty close to an elite, first possession player. He’s very good around the ball and distributes it well. I think you’re going to see an incredible young player emerge in the next one to two years. Dom had an unfortunate setback just before Christmas, but he’s attacking his rehab in the same intensity as his pre-season.

Bloody hell. This is a wrap.

 

Been saying for a while that Dom is a similar type player to Joey Kennedy. Looks like Macca thinks he can move up to that level, good news for us.

A very important  part of our midfield mix...our strongest player over the ball, gets things moving and can kick a goal.

56 minutes ago, binman said:

Fair enough. LDC, DS and your argument has convinced me there was no code. I for one think Trenners can be a regular senior player if he can improve the skills he needs to be a gun inside mid and as importantly average 25 possessions plus per game. 

Averageing 25 disposal a game is elite numbers. I think your being a tad harsh saying he needs to average those numbers to make it when realistically he should be aiming for around the 20-22 mark as a midfielder/half forward. I can't see him being the full time midfielder we'd like him to be because we know he can take a grab up forward when resting. Personally id like to see him of a half back as i think his poise and calmness with the ball would be important for us down back.

How good is this write up for Viney! Love the kid and his intensity and passion for the club!

"Jack Viney

Jack had a slow start to the pre-season, due to injury. But the first day he got back, you could hear the whack in the contest. The contest area had a real intensity about it when Jack was back in there, so he’s been managed a bit. He’s a high talent and has a high love of the club. The way he spoke about the club – and the people in it – after winning last year’s best and fairest sums up Jack the person. Through the family connection, there is no player more invested and committed to driving Melbourne up the ladder than Jack."

Fair to say Macca doesn't sugarcoat anything - http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2017-01-19/list-update-vince-viney-and-wagner Vince has 'some life in him left' sounds like a 1977 Valiant Charger.

On 1/16/2017 at 9:35 PM, DeeSpencer said:

I don't really care about being right or wrong. To sound a bit like Saty I want all of our players to do as well as they can and for the best team to come through. 

That being said here's my thinking.. I'm not convinced of Hibberd as the 3rd tall defender, he's strong in the air but really not tall enough for it to be a perfect option every week. Frost is an exciting prospect and the incumbent in that position. But he's one dimensional, panics with the ball and isn't nearly as strong in the air as a guy his height should be.

Other options: Garland - nope, Keilty - doubt it, Wagner - certainly, but we'll probably have Hibberd, Vince and Salem as ball users so the balance might favour another pacy option.

My current round 1 team moves between Frost and just playing Hibberd, but either way Smith would be the next medium/tall defender in line.

Hibberd is the best kick in our backline. Salem would be up there if he could get on the park. Hibberd is not there to play on tall defenders.