2017 Clash Guernsey

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

24 minutes ago, Is Dom Is Good said:

What's the email address to send it to? I'll do the same.

Email the AFL, not Melbourne.

[daisycutter 29,616]

3 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Email the AFL, not Melbourne.

or email one, copy the other

[DeeZee 7,396]

7 minutes ago, stuie said:

This is the one

It just works, if we have to have White.

[DistrACTION Jackson 8,735]

17 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Email the AFL, not Melbourne.

I think I'd rather email the club as although the AFL set the rules, they can still work with supporters to put together a good clash guernsey.

At the moment it seems we are being ignored and they are bringing out these disgraceful excuses for a guernsey. I don't usually get upset about this type of thing but what they brought out recently is so terrible I have to get my thoughts out!

[AzzKikA 2,371]

Got a response from Stephanie Breheny – Customer Relations Officer 

Thanks for contacting the Melbourne Football Club.

 

Unfortunately the 2017 clash guernseys cannot be changed.

 

The broader debate around the use of clash guernseys is an industry wide issue. For reasons of history and tradition, all Club’s would choose to wear their home guernsey at all times but the AFL, as the governing body, has determined for reasons such as clarity for television viewers and player confusion during play etc that clash guernseys are a required part of the game. 

 

We have tried a number of designs that don’t include white but none of those designs reduce the clash issues with all the teams the AFL determine us to clash with. The bottom line is, some Club’s uniforms, like ours, Fremantle, Western Bulldogs, St Kilda, West Coast etc are perceived to clash with more Clubs than others. Clubs like Collingwood and the Swans hardly have any issues with clash.

 

When we are the home Club we will always wear our home Guernsey but as the away Club there are occasions when the AFL will require us to wear the clash guernsey. 

 

We would love to wear a red and blue jumper every week but the current rules and guidelines from the AFL don't allow for that.

 

The clash Guernsey is an ongoing discussion between not only our club but all clubs and the AFL.             

 

Thank you for your feedback and ongoing support it is greatly appreciated.  

 

sent back:

 

 

Hi Steph

I am aware that we have to have a clash jumper, but white is not the answer.  Tell me who we will clash with if we wore the jumper that I proposed?  Any team that has predominant white we will wear our home strip, anyone wearing dark is not going to clash with our red it just doesn’t make sense.

If we must have a white one, why not get us members to vote on designs or provide designs for you.  It is our club at the end of the day and a jumper change is a big decision.  I guess if we had a say there wouldn’t be so many against it.

 

1 hour ago, Is Dom Is Good said:

What's the email address to send it to? I'll do the same.

I just sent it to [email protected]

 

[DistrACTION Jackson 8,735]

Wow. So that Guernsey that was shown on the website wasn't a mistake....... How anyone could approve that beggars belief.

PJ has been fantastic for the club but this is a stinker of a decision.

[Mickey 4,684]

Asking the club to change from a white clash strip to a red and blue one is futile. They obviously don't perceive it to be a huge issue, and using the AFL excuse is easy for them. you are wasting your time.

The real argument should be wound the mooted 2017 clash jumper. It's putrid. It is possible to have a visually acceptable jumper that has white in it. 

[AzzKikA 2,371]

Got another response:

I understand what you are saying and the club does see the feedback from the Melbourne supporters pages.

 

For the past two season we have kept a similar design. 

 

The 2017 design has allowed us to include more red and blue whilst remaining predominantly white.  The trim around the top half of the guernsey is red, to replicate our home guernsey, with the panelling along the side of the body, blue, also similar to the home guernsey. 

 

Unfortunately the clash guernsey have to be approved by the AFL and it is their decision.

 

I will pass your feedback into the AFL and MFC managers.

 

I just sent back expect more emails from like minded supporters, and thanks for her time.

 

[beelzebub 23,376]

Nothing in the  official MFC response addresses how EFC gets away with RED !!

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

Stop wasting the club's time and contact the AFL if you feel so annoyed.

[daisycutter 29,616]

we already have multiple "home" jumpers (std one, heritage, indigenous, pink-lady), so why not have multiple away jumpers which include amongst them a predominately red one and an inverse one? Then we at least have a choice based on the particular opposition and therefore minimise the times we get forced to use the predominately white one.

[Vagg 2,439]

3 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Sorry. That makes no sense. If EFC can play away in red....so ought we.

Absolutely!  Surely the Club is smart enough to figure that out, and go into bat with the AFL over it.  I'm staggered that they haven't!

[old dee 23,791]

3 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Sorry. That makes no sense. If EFC can play away in red....so ought we.

I struggle with the problem that people don't understand that the EFC have the AFL in their pocket and we don't.

This is IMO very simple. The EFC have ten time more supporters than us and twice as many members.

They have power we have little.

[daisycutter 29,616]

5 minutes ago, old dee said:

I struggle with the problem that people don't understand that the EFC have the AFL in their pocket and we don't.

This is IMO very simple. The EFC have ten time more supporters than us and twice as many members.

They have power we have little.

do you always roll over so easy, od?  i doubt it. people said roos would never coach melbourne, that trump would never ever win the presidency etc etc.

[old dee 23,791]

I think New Balance have bigger problems than the MFC jumper design.

See below they are now being used by Neo Nazis in the USA as there official shoe.

http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/retail/new-balance-works-to-put-out-fire-over-being-declared-uniform-for-neonazis/news-story/5e3ed49224ec0f01ef963e80ab7c1667

Edited November 16, 2016 by old dee

[Vagg 2,439]

2 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

  i doubt it. people said roos would never coach melbourne, that trump would never ever win the presidency etc etc.

Daisy, they were both dead certainties compared with the chances of the MFC getting a non-white clash jumper!  LOL

[daisycutter 29,616]

1 minute ago, old dee said:

I think New Balance have bigger problems than the MFC jumper design.

See below they are now being used by Neo Nazis in the USA as there official shoe.

http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/careers/nurses-engineering-food-scientist-jobs-set-to-boom/news-story/7e31730fef85f7ab19c6f235eb209514

no they're not. one neo-nazi blogger suggested it. that's all. and btw look at the latest posting in the new balance thread by chris

[old dee 23,791]

3 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

do you always roll over so easy, od?  i doubt it. people said roos would never coach melbourne, that trump would never ever win the presidency etc etc.

This argument has been going on for years dc and the "Red Designers " are no closer that they were 10 years ago.

The problem for the RD's is the MFC and the AFL settled this years ago and while the MFC are beholding to the MFC for finance nothing will change.

Raise it after we have won three flags in a row and have 60 000 members. Until then it will not do a "Trump" or anything similar.

[Leoncelli_36 2,264]

The issue is not the white, myself and others here have mooted very suitable and well designed white clash jumpers. The issue is the lazy, putrid design effort the club has made in respect of the 2017 jumper. It's lazy and looks like a training singlet or one of those cheap knock offs you see on the streets in Bali. It is pathetic. Hawthorn had a putrid jumper and consulted their members. Port did the same. I cannot understand why the club decided to design a jumper without consultation with the fans. These are the issues I would like to see addressed. 

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

Get rid of it and re-think the design.  It's terrible.  By the way, I love how we still call a guernsey a "jumper".  Long time since it's been that.  That is not a criticism of anybody by the way.

 

[monoccular 17,431]

23 hours ago, sisso said:

None of the white guernseys are much good - I don't think it's any worse than the last one 

I tend to agree

As long as we don't have to wear it in the Grand Final ?

Would not be impressed were our players made to have their photos wearing their medallions on such an insipid jumper.  

Maybe Gil could make up a rule on the run (after all, he is an expert at that) that allowed us to switch into the proper jumper for the presentations.

Edited November 16, 2016 by monoccular

[old dee 23,791]

4 minutes ago, iv'a worn smith said:

Get rid of it and re-think the design.  It's terrible.  By the way, I love how we still call a guernsey a "jumper".  Long time since it's been that.  That is not a criticism of anybody by the way.

 

I will go the grave calling them Jumpers iv'a

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

3 minutes ago, old dee said:

I will go the grave calling them Jumpers iv'a

me too OD.  I remember a very wet winter's day, when I needed my "jumper' washed for that day's game.  My mum tried to dry it on the old Kookaburra oven and scorched it.  Not to mention, they could be bloody scratchy those old woollen jumpers

[Chris 2,892]

4 hours ago, ArtificialWisdom said:

Idk why so many here are so offended by the white. Its simple clean and makes telling each other appart so easy. Yeah I preffer the traditional jumpers but if a white jumper is done right then it can look ok. We always have to play the victim because a big club did this or a big club did that. It really makes no difference to us, we are going to have a clash strip every year that is white. A decision that likely comes from the club not from the AFL. So why cant we focus on trying to get a good white design (which is possible) rather than worrying about the colour.

Ahhhhh, it is AFl mandated that it is white. Fairly sure I remember last year or the year before we put forward the full red jumper and a jumper with the reverse of our traditional jumper, so predominantly red, and were told that red is a dark colour and the away strip has to be a light colour. That is fine if it is the AFL standard but the blow me down they came out and approved the Dons predominantly red jumper a matter of weeks later! F them all.

Edited November 16, 2016 by Chris

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

It is not simply a question of it being 'white', the overall design just stinks.