Ah, yes, The Exorcist! A classic!

4 hours ago, Abe said:

SAM'S BROWNLOW OR NOT?

Manager Peter Lenton: Sam was given the opportunity to present to the AFL why he should get the Brownlow (if Jobe stripped), but he didn't want to do that.

Here we go. Laying the groundwork.

"Well we CAN'T take it off Jobe, because Sam REFUSED to tell us why he should get the medal. You can't blame us! We're trying to go about this the right way, but Sam ... he REFUSED to front up!"

 

"the AFL is fully committed to clean sport, for the sake of all players from all clubs"

Yes, Gil. Pull the other one. It squirts AOD-9604 cream!

 

 

A meeting in mid-Nov. A month to gauge public opinion and massage the non-decision accordingly.

1 hour ago, Hellfish said:

Whats the point of it being there if your just going to pick and choose what parts you enforce.

This applies to the entire AFL comp.

you have to feel sorry for the afl. they have only had all of this year to decide on the brownlow if the appeal against cas was not successful (as widely expected) and now they need just another month to just have a meeting. running a footy comp is such hard work and people expect too much of them

Well I reckon Ive wasted untold number of hours considering this whole debacle. Used up far too many pixels.

Im no longer any more appalled nor angry about the whole farcical incident .Im really rather just sad.

Sad that what ought to be a very simple exercise in accountabilities is as with so much nothing more than a game of political ping pong to suit the organisers.

Im even over trying to reason with folk who just cant see , the trees, the forest of hear the f'n chaninaw !!  Some people are just fcukwits and unfortunately a lot of them run things !!

21 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

you have to feel sorry for the afl. they have only had all of this year to decide on the brownlow if the appeal against cas was not successful (as widely expected) and now they need just another month to just have a meeting. running a footy comp is such hard work and people expect too much of them

I know, you can't expect the AFL to have considered this outcome in the 9 months they've had to consider this outcome.

Especially when it was obvious this outcome was going to occur.

I mean, let's be reasonable here.

20 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Well I reckon Ive wasted untold number of hours considering this whole debacle. Used up far too many pixels.

Im no longer any more appalled nor angry about the whole farcical incident .Im really rather just sad.

Sad that what ought to be a very simple exercise in accountabilities is as with so much nothing more than a game of political ping pong to suit the organisers.

Im even over trying to reason with folk who just cant see , the trees, the forest of hear the f'n chaninaw !!  Some people are just fcukwits and unfortunately a lot of them run things !!

In life you are either honest or dishonest. There is no grey area.

3 hours ago, SaberFang said:

Farcical, a whole month until a meeting to DECIDE if he should keep it. [censored] laughable.

Yes but by then the outrage will have died down......a little

7 hours ago, TRIGON said:

I'm pretty sure the WADA rules are that all awards have to be handed back.

Another one for the legal eagles out there...can the AFL be fined for bringing the AFL into disrepute?

They'd have been broke years ago, if that were the case ...

8 hours ago, Abe said:

Just out of curiosity Saty, you seem to feel the players were duped by senior people at the club doing the wrong thing, and then made to be scapegoats by a corrupt process that was essentially a witch hunt?

Yes   simple answer to that   but they should have questioned more but can understand why they didn't 

2 hours ago, daisycutter said:

they'll have to decide on his inclusion in the all australian side too - hehehe   or maybe they'll decide that in a later meeting......maybe a focus group? 

too many decisions for poor old gill. he did say back in august that the brownlow medal decision might be the hardest decision anyone had to make in their whole life......nearly had me in tears

Gill sounds like the sort of idiot who thinks hardship is only being able to afford a Jaguar rather than a Rolls ... or that the height of embarrassment is not knowing which fork to use at a formal dinner. Makes an amoeba look tough!

2 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Well I reckon Ive wasted untold number of hours considering this whole debacle. Used up far too many pixels.

Im no longer any more appalled nor angry about the whole farcical incident .Im really rather just sad.

Sad that what ought to be a very simple exercise in accountabilities is as with so much nothing more than a game of political ping pong to suit the organisers.

Im even over trying to reason with folk who just cant see , the trees, the forest of hear the f'n chaninaw !!  Some people are just fcukwits and unfortunately a lot of them run things !!

Well, old friend, I could have told you that 18 months ago but I have enjoyed and approved of your always well reasoned analysis, logic and outrage. In all your posts you carried the flag for clean sport and accountability admirably without compromise or appeasement.  

 

If they had have had the Appeal against CAS upheld, they would have been declared the AFL Premiers for the last four Flags to make up for the inconvenience........luckily it went kapootin, dumpkoff and mein chien a lepchen ( learnt this one last time i was in Deutchland)  Zig.

1 hour ago, Satyriconhome said:

Yes   simple answer to that   but they should have questioned more but can understand why they didn't 

Strangely in a fashion Saty I understand the idea that you possibly suppose that they DIDN'T ask is based upon. 

Its that hush hush footy thing. Its that thing where everyone KNOWS but seldom does anyone SAY !!

This of itself compounds their guilt as in all reality they KNEW something  ( if not everything ) that was going on wasn't kosher. They chose the veil of 'shoooshdom" , that where no one speaks lest they find themselves impaled upon the club gates in the morn.

The youngsters will be products of the new induction system. They are drilled, and drilled in the process of what ASADA and the AFL consider to be verbotten. The older ones, well, you;d think they'd be wiser and indeed a few WERE !!  Think about that, some WERE !!

They thought they were above reproach, they were Essendon and the thing they genuinely believed in in imho is that the club had the wool over everyone's eyes; after all it was about whatever it takes ...no ?

 

Essendon were/are held in such high regard ( still ) by their mates at AFL house that they were not only cautioned, given heads up, afforded a biased hearing and ridiculous punitive measures for their transgression but now afforded a golden way out of the mire into the glow of season 2017

 

Saty, i mean this with no malice but simple clarity. If you think there was no guilt afforded the players ( as the rest is a whole set of tomes upon themselves, as well as WYL 's tv series ) then you are as gullible as they come

wake up lad, smell the roses

They are rotten to the core

Edited October 12, 20168 yr by beelzebub

I feel that given the public have been given the chance to vote on Jabby's medal, surely we get to vote on McKernan's medal from 1996 as well. In addition to ANY decision outlawing the fairest player in any given season....

2 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Strangely in a fashion Saty I understand the idea that you possibly suppose that they DIDN'T ask is based upon. 

Its that hush hush footy thing. Its that thing where everyone KNOWS but seldom does anyone SAY !!

This of itself compounds their guilt as in all reality they KNEW something  ( if not everything ) that was going on wasn't kosher. They chose the veil of 'shoooshdom" , that where no one speaks lest they find themselves impaled upon the club gates in the morn.

The youngsters will be products of the new induction system. They are drilled, and drilled in the process of what ASADA and the AFL consider to be verbotten. The older ones, well, you;d think they'd be wiser and indeed a few WERE !!  Think about that, some WERE !!

They thought they were above reproach, they were Essendon and the thing they genuinely believed in in imho is that the club had the wool over everyone's eyes; after all it was about whatever it takes ...no ?

 

Essendon were/are held in such high regard ( still ) by their mates at AFL house that they were not only cautioned, given heads up, afforded a biased hearing and ridiculous punitive measures for their transgression but now afforded a golden way out of the mire into the glow of season 2017

 

Saty, i mean this with no malice but simple clarity. If you think there was no guilt afforded the players ( as the rest is a whole set of tomes upon themselves, as well as WYL 's tv series ) then you are as gullible as they come

wake up lad, smell the roses

They are rotten to the core

I still don't agree, they were all blinded or maybe that is deafened by the Golden Child who had returned to take them to ptemiership glory. They should have questioned him more? If not questioning is the  'crime' then so be it

And how Reid has managed to escape all this will always be beyond me

The rest was just a shambles by everybody and now politically they are just tidying it up so it can be confined to  history, like the tanking we, Carlton and a few others did

Edited October 12, 20168 yr by Satyriconhome

11 hours ago, daisycutter said:

you have to feel sorry for the afl. they have only had all of this year to decide on the brownlow if the appeal against cas was not successful (as widely expected) and now they need just another month to just have a meeting. running a footy comp is such hard work and people expect too much of them

Good point ... and the strange thing about this is that back in January when the CAS verdict was announced the AFL immediately announced (and therefore without a need for a meeting to be held a month later during which time all and sundry could deliberate on issues of fairness, the impact on other clubs, the competition and the game) the rules that would apply to Essendon to enable it to cover for their missing players and even the issue of how their  absence would impact on the draft (as far away as November).

The rules all gave the club that was responsible  for the plight of the guilty players an advantage while the other innocent clubs that now also had guilty players on their books no rights in regard to replacing those players.

This is yet another example of the embarrassing way in which the AFL competition is being run these days.

9 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

Yes   simple answer to that   but they should have questioned more but can understand why they didn't 

Really? this totally escapes me, unless they didn't want to know, i can't understand why they wouldn't ask.

40 minutes ago, Abe said:

Really? this totally escapes me, unless they didn't want to know, i can't understand why they wouldn't ask.

That is a hard one to defeat Abe.

I too struggle with why you would have multiply injections and not ask what is in them.

Dill the likeable seems to be doing some of his best work here...

the afl actually asked mitchell and cotchin to make a submission re 2012 brownlow. wtf. thankfully both players declined immediately. they are simply incapable of making a clear cut decision and are more intent on finding a way to make a "deal". integrity must be a foreign word to these clowns

15 hours ago, iv'a worn smith said:

Agreed, but why should we be surprised as to how they handle anything.  At the risk of raising the old chestnut once again.  When the MFC were in the gun, Demetriou trotted out Gil, because Demetriou was on public record that he did not believe we had done anything wrong.  So to safe face, he gets his then 2ic to fire the bullets.  Not guilty, but fined.  The Star Chamber is alive and well in the AFL

I thought Demetriou argued that he shouldn't be discussing the matter because as a Commissioner he may have to make a determination and could be accused of bias if he had discussed the matter publicly prior to that decision being made.

15 hours ago, monoccular said:

Don't you remember they came out of the blocks strong and fast before succumbing to soft tissue injuries   -  all consistent with poorly managed PED usage 

Here they are:

 Commissioners. Gabrielle Trainor (2016-) Andrew Newbold (2016-) Simone Wilkie (2015–) Jason Ball (2015–) Kim Williams (2014–) Paul Bassat (2011–) Richard Goyder (2011–) Linda Dessau (2009–2015)

Chairman‎: ‎Mike Fitzpatrick

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Chief Exec‎: ‎Gillon McLachlan

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Absolute abdication of all responsibilities by Gil and his henchmen, trying to put the onus on two innocent players to make a decision he is far too gutless to make himself. 

You can take Linda Dessau out. She's now Governor of Victoria (and as a passionate Essendon supporter I suspect she's probably glad she's no longer responsible for having to make this decision.) 

14 hours ago, SaberFang said:

Why even allow a convicted drug cheat to make a presentation to defend themselves? Does Rory Sloane or any other suspended player get that opportunity? Why ask the other two relevant players why they deserve it instead? Why do they need an entire month to make a decision that, to me, is as black & white as Citizen Kane?

Because, as with everything the AFL does, they manufacture outcomes to have the best effect on their bottom line.

In a legal sense, taking something away from someone is much harder than not awarding it in the first place. I would think the AFL's lawyers have advised that procedural fairness obliges the AFL to give Watson an opportunity to comment. It's also strategically a good idea as the process may "encourage" Watson to hand the medal back thereby allowing the Commissioners to avoid having to make a decision at all.

If Jab had any integrity at all or sense of duty he would end this whole sorry saga and hand it back voluntarily

Says it all about the man and his p%^s poor club really

If he keeps it I for one will boo him every time I see him take the field

Edited October 12, 20168 yr by jackaub

2 minutes ago, jackaub said:

If Jab had any integrity at all or sense of duty he would end this whole sorry saga and hand it back voluntarily

Says it all about the man and his p%^s poor club really

If he keeps it I for one will boo him every time I see him take the field

I would be very surprised if he doesn't...

Dill the likeable is waiting for this to happen, so much easier for him.