FA & Trade Whispers

[Redleg 40,209]

5 minutes ago, Nasher said:

Exactly my thoughts too.  Interesting times.  I love trade week(s).

Me too. 

Sorry to harp on about this,as I now know we aren't interested in Rockliff, but to me he would be a great and cheap get. He is a somewhat unique type of player. Yes he has some behavioural issues, but I believe we could get buy in.

However more importantly our FD disagree and they call the shots. 

Edited October 14, 2016 by Redleg

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7 minutes ago, Nasher said:

Exactly my thoughts too.  Interesting times.  I love trade week(s).

 

Would be nice to see a frontline/utopia style comedy based on trade week(s)

Edited October 14, 2016 by DominatrixTyson

[Generation dee 1,336]

10 minutes ago, ThreeOneSix said:

Lewis has more off field indiscretions than Rockliff. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Tom Rockliff other than a few tweets that hurt a few very sensitive people. Rockliff is not only a better leader than Lewis - but he is twice the player. Does Tom Rockliff improve our chances to make the finals next year? Yes, and in a big way. Rockliff is one of the best players in the league and he does all the very hard things others dont. He would automatically be our best player and by a fair space. We should be into him in a big way.

Look I get what you're saying, but there is no way in any world rockliff is a better leader. Lewis has an outstanding record over 260 odd games, proven finals campaigner. Rockliff has played a few good games and been all Australian once

[SaberFang 7,151]

Rockliff? Leader? Oh dear.

You couldn't find a more toxic captain in the league. Teammates despise him and his treatment of the club's youth is half the reason Brisbane can't retain players.

[Grimes Times 1,278]

1 hour ago, stuie said:

Sam Mitchell basically traded for pick 88.

Wow.

 

Not sure what you think he was going to be traded for. Was never going to be a 2nd or 3rd round pick. Was always pick 70 plus. They have pushed him out the door cant ask for too much.

[Grimes Times 1,278]

35 minutes ago, stuie said:

They're different players. Not that hard to understand.

 

Might be different players, but Clarko had the same conversation with the same end effect in mind.

Not that hard to understand

[PaulRB 6,297]

4 minutes ago, Grimes Times said:

Might be different players, but Clarko had the same conversation with the same end effect in mind.

Not that hard to understand

He evidently wasn't expecting them both to jump at the "offer"...

[SaberFang 7,151]

1 minute ago, PaulRB said:

He evidently wasn't expecting them both to jump at the "offer"...

Seems to be much less bad blood with Mitchell though. Rumours continue to swirl that Lewis was incredibly angry with whatever happened at his exit interview.

[The Lobster Effect 877]

12 minutes ago, Grimes Times said:

Not sure what you think he was going to be traded for. Was never going to be a 2nd or 3rd round pick. Was always pick 70 plus. They have pushed him out the door cant ask for too much.

It's still a bargain. I get the salary cap thing but Mitchell will help West Coast's flag chances next year. He's slowing down at age 34 but he's still going to help them. Will play 1 year and maybe 50/50 on a second.

I think a fairer swap would have been West Coast downgrading their pick 12 for Hawthorn's pick 14 (then Hawthorn would have had more bargaining power in the Tom Mitchell trade). Or at least swapping their pick 34 for Hawthorn's pick 36. The way it went through looks pretty ridiculous on paper.

Edited to say Tom Mitchell not Sam.. too many Mitchells!

Edited October 14, 2016 by The Lobster Effect

[Nasher 33,607]

12 minutes ago, Grimes Times said:

Not sure what you think he was going to be traded for. Was never going to be a 2nd or 3rd round pick. Was always pick 70 plus. They have pushed him out the door cant ask for too much.

Exactly.  West Coast would be looking at a third round pick going "that's a Dean Kent, or a Mark Hutchings.  Hawthorn shouldn't get shot at a 10 year player *and* salary cap relief so we can get one year out of a player".  

The true compensation for Hawthorn is urgent salary cap relief.  The exchange of picks is just to satisfy the AFL rules for a proper deal.  

[DemonDave 1,082]

25 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Sorry to harp on about this,as I now know we aren't interested in Rockliff, but to me he would be a great and cheap get. He is a somewhat unique type of player. Yes he has some behavioural issues, but I believe we could get buy in.

However more importantly our FD disagree and they call the shots. 

He might be cheap in trading terms, but Rockliff comes with a $650,000 price tag attached to him next year, that's a heck of a lot of coin, and the reason I suspect most clubs are baulking at a ready-made boost to their playing stocks. It seems we're now starting to mimic US sports trading patterns, in that clubs offload players not for their playing worth, but for salary cap relief.

 

[stuie 7,374]

28 minutes ago, Grimes Times said:

Not sure what you think he was going to be traded for. Was never going to be a 2nd or 3rd round pick. Was always pick 70 plus. They have pushed him out the door cant ask for too much.

So you would think we'd likely get Lewis for a pick after 70 as well then?

 

[Adam The God 29,391]

14 minutes ago, DemonDave said:

He might be cheap in trading terms, but Rockliff comes with a $650,000 price tag attached to him next year, that's a heck of a lot of coin, and the reason I suspect most clubs are baulking at a ready-made boost to their playing stocks. It seems we're now starting to mimic US sports trading patterns, in that clubs offload players not for their playing worth, but for salary cap relief.

 

That's been happening in the AFL for a while though. Only have to watch the trade feature video on the AFL website on our Woey trade in 2002. That was for salary cap relief too.

[stuie 7,374]

41 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Me too. 

Sorry to harp on about this,as I now know we aren't interested in Rockliff, but to me he would be a great and cheap get. He is a somewhat unique type of player. Yes he has some behavioural issues, but I believe we could get buy in.

However more importantly our FD disagree and they call the shots. 

His disposal is poor and he isn't overly quick, on top of the concerns over his attitude. The only players we have considered that weren't quick were known leaders, Rockliff is not that.

The footy dept are correct in not chasing him. Not surprising at all.

 

[The Stigga 1,081]

Tom Mitchell and 52 to Hawthorn for 14 and 57

[stuie 7,374]

22 minutes ago, Nasher said:

Exactly.  West Coast would be looking at a third round pick going "that's a Dean Kent, or a Mark Hutchings.  Hawthorn shouldn't get shot at a 10 year player *and* salary cap relief so we can get one year out of a player".  

The true compensation for Hawthorn is urgent salary cap relief.  The exchange of picks is just to satisfy the AFL rules for a proper deal.  

Could also be any one of the majority of 3rd round picks who never have any kind of AFL career to speak of... The draft is speculative, and even more so as the picks get later.

As for getting one year out of "a player", that player has 4 premierships, 5 best and fairests including this year, has captained the club and could very well get as many as 3 more years out of his body. Not saying he's worth a lot, but you weigh up pick 88 against the player you would have got with it (if you even used that pick) and it's clearly a massive win for the Eagles who are in their "premiership window".

 

[stuie 7,374]

Talk emerging that Richmond will possibly miss out on Prestia as talks have stalled.

 

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3 minutes ago, stuie said:

Could also be any one of the majority of 3rd round picks who never have any kind of AFL career to speak of... The draft is speculative, and even more so as the picks get later.

As for getting one year out of "a player", that player has 4 premierships, 5 best and fairests including this year, has captained the club and could very well get as many as 3 more years out of his body. Not saying he's worth a lot, but you weigh up pick 88 against the player you would have got with it (if you even used that pick) and it's clearly a massive win for the Eagles who are in their "premiership window".

 

We would surely be asking for a medical to ensure he's a two year player though? 3rd round for 1 year is too high.

Edited October 14, 2016 by DominatrixTyson

[Adam The God 29,391]

2 minutes ago, stuie said:

Talk emerging that Richmond will possibly miss out on Prestia as talks have stalled.

 

Maybe he'll take $500k and play at his spiritual home?

[stuie 7,374]

1 minute ago, DominatrixTyson said:

We would surely be asking for a medical to ensure he's a two year player though?

Huh? That post was about Sam Mitchell.

 

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2 minutes ago, stuie said:

Huh? That post was about Sam Mitchell.

 

Oh ok, my mistake. Someone mentioned a 3rd round pick was offered for Lewis and i'd hope we'd have a medical certainty that he had more than one year. 

[Ted Lasso 18,784]

8 minutes ago, stuie said:

Talk emerging that Richmond will possibly miss out on Prestia as talks have stalled.

 

Time to put our 2017 first round pick on the table and get him to the club he grew up supporting. 

path of least resistance and all that. 

[olisik 4,060]

Exciting first week of trade period for the Dee's! 

[Wilson7 2,616]

Pity the Hawks didn't do the same concerning Lewis

HAWKS THANK PROFESSIONAL SWANS

Hawthorn has just released a statement regarding the Tom Mitchell trade. Here's what list manager Graham Wright had to say:  

"We are pleased the deal could be finalised and Tom is able to join the Hawks.

"Tom has had a terrific year at the Swans and we look forward to welcoming him to the Hawks.

"We would like to thank Sydney for their professional approach in getting this deal done."

[stuie 7,374]

“He actually believed, when Clarko was coming around that he might have been captain of the Hawthorn Footy Club and instead he’s been told to look for a new home so not very happy at all was the Lewis camp...if I’m Melbourne and I’ve been put into this situation and I’ve done nothing wrong and been honest in my assessment, I’d be back after him again,” - Terry Wallace re: Lewis