Apparently Port are maxed out on salary cap.

If they want to fit Charlie Dixon into their list they have to move someone on.....

I seriously doubt that you've seen Hartlett play.

Hartlett's career to date at Port has far exceeded Vince's tenure at Adelaide.

If we can land him in trade week, the acquisition of Melksham would be more palatable.

That's not true. Like Vince, Hartlett is an unfulfilled talent and unlike Vince at Adelaide, Hartlett hasn't won a B&F at Port.

That's not true. Like Vince, Hartlett is an unfulfilled talent and unlike Vince at Adelaide, Hartlett hasn't won a B&F at Port.

And Hartlett may not have come 3rd in a B&F like Terlich, but I know who is the better player. There are relative merits to B&F results. Since getting over his hamstring problems, Hartlett has been a consistently very good player, whereas Vince was a good player at Adelaide.

Don't have a lot of time for Caro - but rarely gets it wrong as her info comes straight from AFL house usually.

i'm curious

what makes you think afl house would be privy to potential trade info

i would have thought that that would at, this stage, only be between agent/player and current/new clubs

That's not true. Like Vince, Hartlett is an unfulfilled talent and unlike Vince at Adelaide, Hartlett hasn't won a B&F at Port.

He is every bit as good as Vince was at Adelaide. Perhaps even better And 3 years younger than the age we got Vince at.

Would hand over pick 6 for Hartlett in a flash.

I seriously doubt that you've seen Hartlett play.

Hartlett's career to date at Port has far exceeded Vince's tenure at Adelaide.

If we can land him in trade week, the acquisition of Melksham would be more palatable.

Same height, Hartlett is 5y younger, Hartlett has inferior stats to Vince and hasn't won a B&F let alone 2. So I am not sure how you are making that comparison.

Melksham is a spud. Goodwin seems keen on him but EFC supporters hate him. T/over merchant. And he has a WADA penalty possibly hanging over him.

He's a lot of what we need and had 3 consistent injury free years. But I thought he was a little down on his best this year.

He'd be great, but I'm not sure I'd go super hard in a trade for him.

If you pay top dollar for a trade in you need top results. To get Hartlett I think we'd have to give up nearly a kings ransom. Surely Port would rather squeeze out a lesser player than one of their best 5-10.

anyone who thinks hammer is 'not a good bloke' needs their info corrected. he's a genuinely good bloke. i personally find it hard to see him leaving sa, as he's adelaide born-and-bred.

he's also a gem of a footballer; his best is ahead of vince at his best in my opinion.

he can play half-back but he can also play through the guts - he's started as part of the midfield rotation consistently for port over the last three to four seasons.

i don't know why they've got such a boner for dixon; mitch clark mk 2 (in that he only gets on the field about 12-16 times a season in good years).

but if someone like hartlett falls to a club such as ours as a result then bring it on.

I seriously doubt that you've seen Hartlett play.

Hartlett's career to date at Port has far exceeded Vince's tenure at Adelaide.

If we can land him in trade week, the acquisition of Melksham would be more palatable.

Vince had a B&F and an All Australian to his name at Adelaide before we traded for him. Pretty sure that trumps Hartlett.

i don't know why they've got such a boner for dixon; mitch clark mk 2 (in that he only gets on the field about 12-16 times a season in good years).

Best available young forward to compliment Wingard, I guess. Schulz doesn't have much left in him.

Best available young forward to compliment Wingard, I guess. Schulz doesn't have much left in him.

But they already can't play Ryder and Lobbe in the same side. Adding Dixon to that mix gives them 3 x 200cm+ talls. And reportedly they won't trade away Lobbe.

In hindsight if they knew Dixon was available 12 months later they should've avoided Ryder.

I can't believe this is accurate. Read his profile on the Port Adelaide website, it reads like the profile of the greatest player to play for Port. He is their highest ever draft pick at 4 and he is considered elite by them. It's got to be Caro doing a wind up on Gary and other Demons supporters.

Has some Hammy issues but absolute gun when he is right,

Toumpas and our second round pick would be starting offer if their cap space is that tight

Ill be genuinely surprised if port trade him and be even more surprised if he agrees to move from Adelaide to Melbourne given the other club in Adelaide are a cat's whisker away from losing their best mid.

Reckon Hartlett could have a Vince-like impact if he came to Melbourne. I'd expect him to really stick it up them wherever he goes.

Their numbers are very similar. Vince has more clearances, Hartlett more tackles.

Hartlett would be a show for a top-5 best and fairest placing, without being on ludicrous dollars.

The triangle deal with Gold Coats and Port sounds plausible if the Suns are still interested in Howe.

Howe+2nd Rounder to Gold Coast.

Whatever Port needs can be on-traded from Gold Coast, which is obviously going to have a lot of movement of picks and players anyway, something suitable should churn through.

The other possibility is something like the Tyson deal. Downgrading our first pick and throwing in our second rounder might be enough.

A quick caveat - there's no doubt he would be worth the first rounder in a simple 'value proposition', but with Hartlett being part of the free agency midfield bonanza coming next year, the merchant is leaning on the scales a little.

Said to be on the outer at Port Adelaide and according to Caro, the Crows and the Denons are interested.

Dead set, unless there's something wrong with him physically (or mentally), I would be disappointed if we didn't chase him hard.

so I guess an anxiety condition should count him out for us Jack ?

apart from any chronic anxiety, lets get him.

And Hartlett may not have come 3rd in a B&F like Terlich, but I know who is the better player. There are relative merits to B&F results. Since getting over his hamstring problems, Hartlett has been a consistently very good player, whereas Vince was a good player at Adelaide.

Vince's best year is better than Hartlett's. Anyway you slice it or dice it 27 possessions is better than 22, especially in a B&F year when your team finished 5th and won a final. That's a bit better effort than Terlich's third in a 2 win year. Vince also has 2 x B&F's to his name.

It's silly of you to say that Hartlett is clearly the better player.

He is every bit as good as Vince was at Adelaide. Perhaps even better And 3 years younger than the age we got Vince at.

Would hand over pick 6 for Hartlett in a flash.

Yes, I know he's 3 years younger. I've said it in this thread before you.

Yes, I'd hand over pick 6. I've said it in this thread before you.

No, he hasn't been better than Vince at Adelaide.

Who do I think has the higher ceiling ? Hartlett.

Agree - Id take Vince over Hartlett and Vince's best is better imo.

Agree - Id take Vince over Hartlett and Vince's best is better imo.

Who are you agreeing with ? I hope not me.

Hartlett has the superior upside. However, it's silly to suggest he's been better than Vince, as they've been about the same and Vince has a couple of milestones that have eluded Hartlett..

Edited September 20, 20159 yr by ProDee

Well now you just contradicted yourself. Cant remember Hartlett ever tagging out a superstar or racking up 38 possessions several times a year.

But then again your last contradicts your first if you are keen on spotting silly comments.

I love how we are desperate to get someone and then we start lowering their trade value or cost.

redders, we shouldn't spend pick 6 on a player being shoved, for what ever reason.

we want him (Hartlett), yeah, but not at the expence of a Curnow/Francis type.

unless; we get Hartlett & Ports first pick, for our P-6,,,, + some tidying up, a player, or a rounding out of picks.

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Well now you just contradicted yourself. Cant remember Hartlett ever tagging out a superstar or racking up 38 possessions several times a year.

But then again your last contradicts your first if you are keen on spotting silly comments.

No I haven't.

Vince's best year is better, but I'd argue they've been similar in overall output. I also believe Hartlett has the higher ceiling.

My point was it's silly to say Hartlett has "clearly been better".

But I realise it's nuanced and perhaps difficult for posters, such as yourself, to understand.

Not sure about Hartlett's ceiling. I reckon his ceiling is comparable to Vince's ceiling. Vince is capable of A+ games, Hartlett could be. Either way, they're pretty even and I'd love to have both of them in our midfield. As another poster alluded to (sorry, I've forgotten), recruiting Hartlett would allow us to release Salem into the midfield occasionally, which is a big win, IMO.

I keep banging on about us getting Prestia. Just imagine this midfield for a minute...

Prestia, Jones, Vince, Hartlett, Viney, Tyson, Salem, Brayshaw. That is not a bad start. There is some serious talent in that list. It still lacks a bit of x-factor, which I'm hoping someone like Petracca can bring. Vanders, Garlett and Hogan as other occasional mids - yes, Hogan will play stints in the midfield, as we've already seen this year.

In summary, get Hartlett and if we can keep our first rounder in doing so, we'll be really well positioned to further strengthen our midfield this year.

Edited September 20, 20159 yr by AdamFarr

Not sure about Hartlett's ceiling. I reckon his ceiling is comparable to Vince's ceiling. Vince is capable of A+ games, Hartlett could be. Either way, they're pretty even and I'd love to have both of them in our midfield. As another poster alluded to (sorry, I've forgotten), recruiting Hartlett would allow us to release Salem into the midfield occasionally, which is a big win, IMO.

I keep banging on about us getting Prestia. Just imagine this midfield for a minute...

Prestia, Jones, Vince, Hartlett, Viney, Tyson, Salem, Brayshaw. That is not a bad start. There is some serious talent in that list. It still lacks a bit of x-factor, which I'm hoping someone like Petracca can bring. Vanders, Garlett and Hogan as other occasional starting mids - yes, Hogan will play stints in the midfield, as we've already seen this year.

In summary, get Hartlett and if we can keep our first rounder in doing so, we'll be really well positioned to further strengthen our midfield this year.

Doiubt we could get both Prestia and Hartlett,, pick 6 will be needed to get either.