Not that i'm in favour of it, but would the club dare trade Salem and Pick 26/27 for Hibberd & Pick 19?

24 minutes ago, AngryAtCasey said:

Not that i'm in favour of it, but would the club dare trade Salem and Pick 26/27 for Hibberd & Pick 19?

To me that amounts to Salem for pick 19.

The club's strategy in the last few years has been to take the fastest route possible towards improvement. All our trade types have supported this: 1) trading out picks for experienced players; 2) trading future picks for picks this year to get the jump on development, and 3) trading late picks for fringers at other clubs who are about the right age.

Yours is type 4) trading out talent (unrealized at this stage) and going back to the well. It's a regressive strategy. I can't support that and it's at odds with everything the club has worked towards in the last three years.

We should be showing Essendope zero respect.

Offer them our third rounder, or try get him to walk as a delisted free agent.

If Essendrug try to play hard ball, then drop interest altogether. We will get by just fine without Hibberd.

15 hours ago, ENYAW said:

Pick 27 for Hibberd is a no, he should be allowed to leave EFC free of charge…………. actually you do have to give up a draft pick. We delisted Fitzpatrick and recieve pick 84 from the Hawks. The Dees should be looking elsewhere i.e GWS the footyfactory we have been served well by them in the past and they are easier to work with than the EFC. As I said B4 Caleb Marchbank looks the goods. 

Could Agree more Wayne

Better players available easier to deal with and no drugs history

If Goodwin wasn't there would we be even looking at Ex Essendon players?

just dont like  it !!

1 hour ago, ProDee said:

Not semantics, just a mistake.

This business of people being "taken around" Hunt is an utter nonsense.  Taylor only had access to players available at pick 57, not those taken before.  Name ONE pick after Hunt that is any good.

I'll disagree on Salem.  He's a young player with tremendous class that is miles off his best.  Let's talk when he's played 60-80 games.

As for Kennedy-Harris and Neal-Bullen, neither does much for me either, but I don't expect him to nail every 40+ pick.  Do you ?  Steven Wells has plenty of failures.

Taylor's record looks superb to me any way I want to slice it or dice it.

Of course it is. The poster implied (IMO) that Taylor had a fantastic record which I believe is not the case and would have made a great pick at selection 30. Agree to disagree if you can't see that. 

I have stated I think Hunt is a good pick yet you keep bringing it up. My point is other recruiters picked up players of similar quality with similar picks. Many quality players were taken between JKH and Hunt which other recruiters have equally nailed. 

Salem is probably what causes us to have a different opinion on Taylor, I think he had to make a good pick at 57 to make up for the 2 picks prior to this while you think he has done well at pick 9 and 57.

My issue with the JKH and ANB  selections are more their attributes or lack of certain attributes which was always going to make it hard for them to succeed. Obviously you're not going to nail every pick and sometimes luck can make you look like a superstar in recruiting. 

I don't believe he has been bad, but my original point was I don't believe he has a great record like some on here, including you, make out. 

Will be interesting to read in a few years.

 

 

 

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

They are all rookie elevation picks mate.

Makes much more sense! LOL.

1 hour ago, ProDee said:

You do realise that none of those players were available to the MFC in the 2013 draft ?  They were all rookie upgrades and selected in drafts prior to 2013 - Hunt's draft.

Well, clearly no I didn't. Thanks for enlightening me though.

1 hour ago, AngryAtCasey said:

Not that i'm in favour of it, but would the club dare trade Salem and Pick 26/27 for Hibberd & Pick 19?

Nope. Can't see it happening. IMO, we'd only entertain a trade for Salem if it was for a player of equal or higher capacity. Hibberd is an important acquisition as a role player, but in time, if he can stay fit, Christian will be a much better player.

47 minutes ago, jackaub said:

Could Agree more Wayne

Better players available easier to deal with and no drugs history

If Goodwin wasn't there would we be even looking at Ex Essendon players?

just dont like  it !!

You're probably right by insinuating we wouldn't be looking at Essendon players if we didn't have Goodwin, but the fact remains that we are. Why is this? Because Goodwin knows them intimately and understands what they will bring to his team in 2017 and beyond.

12 hours ago, Watts the matter said:

The jury is still out IMO.

2013 draft return looking average, not great like many here would have you believe. 

Salem this far a disappointment for pick 9. JKH a poor selection. Hunt a good selection but other recruiters took some good players around the same pick. Harmes an adequate pick.

2014 OK once again.

2,3 - Petracca, Brayshaw picked themselves, but interesting we didn't bid on Moore who looks a better player than the latter. Wright wasn't in the discussion but looking back now he should have been. Have read in Emma Quayles book that we told him he would have to be a ruckman at AFL level and not a forward. Not sure if this is Roos' philosophy or JT's. Stretch FS. Don't rate ANB and didn't at the time of the draft. McDonald is a player with clear limitations but at this pick that's a pass. AVB an OK pick. 

2015. This one has me the most nervous. Oliver a fantastic pick but Weideman has me worried (not just based on his 2 games), more his playing style and the way footy is being played. Has a lack of agility, ability to get involved in the game without marking and poor - average field kicking along with some of the worst defensive efforts I have seen. This was clearly the biggest risk he has taken at the draft so it will be interesting to see how it pans out. Hullett is looking promising from all reports but have barely seen him.

Also I have mentioned this part before, but the fact he rated Lewis Taylor in the top 9 players in the 2013 draft is concerning.

 

I wouldn't be basing any assumptions on a question like this.
One of the 4 key elements the recruitment dept have looked for is the ability to listen and take on board feedback.
Not hard to imagine them saying this with the idea of challenging how he sees himself as a player, and whether he is willing to listen to those that should know better, or if he steadfastly insists that he will be a forward in spite of their experience.

 

1 hour ago, AngryAtCasey said:

Not that i'm in favour of it, but would the club dare trade Salem and Pick 26/27 for Hibberd & Pick 19?

Not suggesting u approve this trade AAC but any suggestion Salem is tradeable would be nothing less then a top 10 pick... especially if we want to recoup our investment in him. Salem is 21 and a top 10 pick

I hope Essendon play hardball like Carlisle in 2015 and mess this up and he walks. 

Dont cave on this Dees. There are surely enough issues at play here to not be bullied in to trading with Essenscum.

He's been out of the game for 12 months, age, demanded to leave, Injection regime, the fact that Xavier Campbell said he (essenscum) wouldn't stand in any players way who wanted to leave, have to be all.mitigating factors in any trade

Mitch Clark as an example was a straight swap.

Love the hypocrisy in essendon saying they want like for like, they have no choice/say if a player chooses to leave. 

Tell Essendon they're dreaming and move on

Just before people trade Salem like some wanted to delist Hunt, I will pass on the comments of a father of a boy, who played in Salem's year and saw him often and whose opinion has proved pretty accurate in the past.

He told me that Salem was the equal of Kelly and that he thought he could be a great AFL player, when he fully develops and gets some games under his belt. Said he was hard at the contest, silky skilled and with a lethal left foot.

On 8/23/2016 at 0:07 PM, AngryAtCasey said:

Not that i'm in favour of it, but would the club dare trade Salem and Pick 26/27 for Hibberd & Pick 19?

27 & 45 for Hibberd and 55? 

solid second round pick and a good upgrade for their third rounder

23 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Just before people trade Salem like some wanted to delist Hunt, I will pass on the comments of a father of a boy, who played in Salem's year and saw him often and whose opinion has proved pretty accurate in the past.

He told me that Salem was the equal of Kelly and that he thought he could be a great AFL player, when he fully develops and gets some games under his belt. Said he was hard at the contest, silky skilled and with a lethal left foot.

That is what I can't wait to see streaming down the Members wing over the next 8 years in the red and blue! Zinging pills into Watts, Hoges and Weids!!! Big preseason from him, got his condition under control and it will be a different prospect from Salem next year.

Hey guys, i'm back. I'm actually back to participate in MFC discussion, as talk about EFC is now irrelevant. Anyway imo I don't want to pay pick 27ish for Hibberd. I know dodoro is always difficult to work with but we need to find an alternative offer that suit both parties. EFC will think he is worth a better pick than 27 but MFC will think he is worth a worse pick. Interesting times ahead...

Also, if you have any problems with me you want to iron out, shoot me a message.

2 hours ago, Nasher said:

To me that amounts to Salem for pick 19.

The club's strategy in the last few years has been to take the fastest route possible towards improvement. All our trade types have supported this: 1) trading out picks for experienced players; 2) trading future picks for picks this year to get the jump on development, and 3) trading late picks for fringers at other clubs who are about the right age.

Yours is type 4) trading out talent (unrealized at this stage) and going back to the well. It's a regressive strategy. I can't support that and it's at odds with everything the club has worked towards in the last three years.

Roos has done the opposite, being very bold this year with the youngest side most weeks. We've had 4 picks in the top 10 last two years. we could have traded in more senior players for those picks if we chose a faster route (Richmond style).

51 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Just before people trade Salem like some wanted to delist Hunt, I will pass on the comments of a father of a boy, who played in Salem's year and saw him often and whose opinion has proved pretty accurate in the past.

He told me that Salem was the equal of Kelly and that he thought he could be a great AFL player, when he fully develops and gets some games under his belt. Said he was hard at the contest, silky skilled and with a lethal left foot.

absolutely. Having both Hibberd and Salem in our backline would make a significant change, more deadly by foot and both hard at the contest.

Worsfold saying early 2nd round pick would be fair for Hibberd. 

Our 2nd round pick will be in first 8 picks of 2nd round. Therefore an early 2nd round pick. 

Deal is done. 

7 minutes ago, Bay Riffin said:

Roos has done the opposite, being very bold this year with the youngest side most weeks. We've had 4 picks in the top 10 last two years. we could have traded in more senior players for those picks if we chose a faster route (Richmond style).

I see that as complementary rather than opposing. Oscar, Frost and Weideman playing ahead of Dunn, Garland and Pedersen are examples of young players being brought in to the side in order to fast track development.  The rest of our young players for mine have been self-selecting on talent; I don't believe week by week selection of Hunt, Oliver, Stretch and so forth has been bold, just obvious.

The difference between our appoach and Richmond is the goal has been sustainable improvement.  The four top 10 picks is ensuring we continue to get talent through the door.  We've traded very astutely to ensure that happens, and have picked up talent that will make sure we can continue to grow.  We've still also managed to bring in senior players without spending those valuable early picks.  4 top 10 picks, but when was the last time you saw us use a second round pick? In recent years ours have all been used to bring in senior players - Frost, Vince, Lumumba, Melksham have all joined us from picks in the 20-30 range; Hibberd will do the same this year.  

It will be 27 plus maybe a swap of picks later, only maybe.

Don't believe everything you read.

Of course Essendon aren't going to come out and say "we are happy with 27, deal done"..... Its like when your selling your fridge, you don't advertise you happy with $100 straight away, you say $150, even though you know you'd be happy with $50 and a 6pack of VBs.

2 minutes ago, GawnWithTheWind said:

It will be 27 plus maybe a swap of picks later, only maybe.

Don't believe everything you read.

Of course Essendon aren't going to come out and say "we are happy with 27, deal done"..... Its like when your selling your fridge, you don't advertise you happy with $100 straight away, you say $150, even though you know you'd be happy with $50 and a 6pack of VBs.

Seems most likely to me, there is no easy route when it comes to Essendon. 

44 minutes ago, GawnWithTheWind said:

It will be 27 plus maybe a swap of picks later, only maybe.

Don't believe everything you read.

Of course Essendon aren't going to come out and say "we are happy with 27, deal done"..... Its like when your selling your fridge, you don't advertise you happy with $100 straight away, you say $150, even though you know you'd be happy with $50 and a 6pack of VBs.

Agree - all clubs play the real estate game initially.

Our pick 27 probably is a little unders, so we will have to decide whether we give up our third round as well, maybe for a switch with their pick four.

We should pick up something for Grimes (round 4 pick) and maybe Dunn (round 4 pick) and I am waiting to see what Goody decides on Trengove (potential round 3 pick) and Neal-Bullen (Port Adelaide second round pick). 

Why have so many jumped off the Salem bandwagon?

1 hour ago, breysure said:

Hey guys, i'm back. I'm actually back to participate in MFC discussion, as talk about EFC is now irrelevant. Anyway imo I don't want to pay pick 27ish for Hibberd. I know dodoro is always difficult to work with but we need to find an alternative offer that suit both parties. EFC will think he is worth a better pick than 27 but MFC will think he is worth a worse pick. Interesting times ahead...

Also, if you have any problems with me you want to iron out, shoot me a message.

Welcome back.  Kudos to you for fronting up again.

Thanks for earlier info you gave us on the EFC players.

Tip: post on other threads as well.

1 hour ago, breysure said:

Hey guys, i'm back. I'm actually back to participate in MFC discussion, as talk about EFC is now irrelevant. Anyway imo I don't want to pay pick 27ish for Hibberd. I know dodoro is always difficult to work with but we need to find an alternative offer that suit both parties. EFC will think he is worth a better pick than 27 but MFC will think he is worth a worse pick. Interesting times ahead...

Also, if you have any problems with me you want to iron out, shoot me a message.

Terrific. More comedy gold. I assume the irony in the above post is deliberate (or at least i hope it is) - if so then points for the satire and well played. If not.......

Edited August 23, 20168 yr by binman

45 minutes ago, Deespicable said:

We should pick up something for Grimes (round 4 pick)

Grimes is a Restricted Free Agent - it amazes me how posters continue to bring up trades involving him.  He is free to go to any club he wants to and we would need to match the contract to force a trade.  This is not going to happen.

1 hour ago, Deespicable said:

Agree - all clubs play the real estate game initially.

Our pick 27 probably is a little unders, so we will have to decide whether we give up our third round as well, maybe for a switch with their pick four.

We should pick up something for Grimes (round 4 pick) and maybe Dunn (round 4 pick) and I am waiting to see what Goody decides on Trengove (potential round 3 pick) and Neal-Bullen (Port Adelaide second round pick). 

Why have so many jumped off the Salem bandwagon?

The only reason I would entertain a trade for Salem (and as I've said in the past it'd have to be for a Brad Crouch type) is his inability to get on the field. Whether it be hamstring or thyroid-related injuries.