Changes vs Freo

[chookrat 4,247]

On 4 July 2016 at 7:27 AM, Petraccattack said:

Wont be playing finals, time to look to the future but still winning as many games as possible this season.

In - Hulett

Out - Dawes

 

  

 

Spencer in for Dawes

[whatwhat say what 22,700]

watts has been hugely benefited by stints in the ruck. it brings different assets of his game into the game.

 

i think we definitely need wagner back in - it releases vince to move through the midfield more. i'd like to see oliver back in for his clean hands in possession and tackling intensity. i'd still much prefer mac x2 and frost as our key defenders than bring in garland if we're sticking to the three talls back, three talls forward structure that has clearly been the preference thus far this year.

 

i would expected those most under the kosh would be vandenberg, petracca and dawes, although the latter two are pretty important to our forward line structure.

 

likely ins: wagner, oliver

likely outs: vandenberg, stretch

 

and stretch has been good but i think harmes can cover that linebreaking wingman role, and in the darwin conditions we'll need oliver's clean hands at the contest and physical strength. can't see bugg or one of the triumvirate of rotating small forwards going out.

 

B: Jetta - T. McDonald - Frost
HB: Hunt - O. McDonald - Wagner
C: Vince - N. Jones - M. Jones
HF: Petracca - Dawes - Kennedy
F: Watts - Hogan - Garlett
Foll: Gawn - Tyson - Viney
I/C: Oliver - Kent - Bugg - Harmes
Emerg: Trengove - vandenBerg - Stretch

Edited July 5, 2016 by DemonAndrew

[DubDee 25,671]

thought Wagner is out for a month with a Knee?

[whatwhat say what 22,700]

oh really, i had no idea? that's a blow if so. i thought he was only out for last week.

[thesleepinggiant 160]

No doubt Dawes is a great clubman and i do rate his work I'd love to see Spencer come in and double team and also allows Gawn to play/rest forward, I'd also bring in both trengove and Grimes as they're workrate will tip their favour playing at TIO.

Im with most of posters who no longer rate Grimes but if he can go back to Casey and work to be coming a mid/wing player collecting 30+ pos most games id have to give him 1 last block of games to convince.

In my opinion the last hurdle for grimes to clear would be to improve his 1st option instead of randomly kicking or handpassing . Make the posssie count.

 

[CBDees 3,167]

1 hour ago, DemonAndrew said:

watts has been hugely benefited by stints in the ruck. it brings different assets of his game into the game.

 

i think we definitely need wagner back in - it releases vince to move through the midfield more. i'd like to see oliver back in for his clean hands in possession and tackling intensity. i'd still much prefer mac x2 and frost as our key defenders than bring in garland if we're sticking to the three talls back, three talls forward structure that has clearly been the preference thus far this year.

 

i would expected those most under the kosh would be vandenberg, petracca and dawes, although the latter two are pretty important to our forward line structure.

 

likely ins: wagner, oliver

likely outs: vandenberg, stretch

 

and stretch has been good but i think harmes can cover that linebreaking wingman role, and in the darwin conditions we'll need oliver's clean hands at the contest and physical strength. can't see bugg or one of the triumvirate of rotating small forwards going out.

 

B: Jetta - T. McDonald - Frost
HB: Hunt - O. McDonald - Wagner
C: Vince - N. Jones - M. Jones
HF: Petracca - Dawes - Kennedy
F: Watts - Hogan - Garlett
Foll: Gawn - Tyson - Viney
I/C: Oliver - Kent - Bugg - Harmes
Emerg: Trengove - vandenBerg - Stretch

Trengove or Bayshaw for the interchange and Harmes to step in for Wagner if unavailable?

Edited July 5, 2016 by CBDees

[snomed 54]

Harmes seemed to be playing in Wagners role on the half back on Sunday and I thought he did pretty well. 

[Young Blood 2,586]

 

Yes Harmes needs to stay in to keep developing. I think he puts in pretty consistent efforts around the contest. 

Edited July 5, 2016 by mongrel

[ManDee 7,124]

2 hours ago, DubDee said:

Unless Pedo is back (pretty he is not) then no change

kids need to develop more and the guys that played at casey will be no more fresh then the AFL guys

I though the team played well on sunday - just young guys in particular making errors at key stages

Not sure if you are suggesting he is ugly or auto-correct got you, such a pity.

I thought that thumb typing should be banned, now I am sure, perhaps just a young guy making errors. Sorry Dub, I am a bit bored at work.

[greenmachine 21]

im always worried playing at tio

 

[Whispering_Jack 29,805]

I don't know if this has been mentioned to date but I was listening to a pre match interview on SEN with Josh Mahoney and he was asked about the selection of younger defenders like Sam Frost and Oscar McDonald ahead of the more experienced defenders like Lynden Dunn and Colin Garland and Josh said that players were being picked on form. There is also the need to get games into the legs of the younger players. On this basis I think the futures at the club of Jack Grimes and Heritier Lumumba for that matter would also be limited.

And if that's the way to go then Chris Dawes is skating on thin ice because the selectors might well decide to give Liam Hulett a chance very soon in his place.

[What 18,810]

33 degrees and coming off a 6 day break.  Freo coming off a bye.   Ditch these Darwin games FFS

[Lucifers Hero 39,599]

Wagner good chance to play: 

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2016-07-05/wagner-a-good-chance-to-return

Btw the game is at night so it won't be 33 degrees.  Overnight low f/cst is 21 so game conditions may not be too bad with no rain for some days and low humidity.

Freo have only about 28 players fit to choose from.

So even allowing for their extended break it will be a shock if we don't beat them. 

 

Edited July 5, 2016 by Lucifer's Hero

[Diamond_Jim 12,549]

The real point is that we should not be playing there at all if we are going to be taken as a serious player in Melbourne

I know the financial arguments but time to look for an alternative source of funds (crowd funding perhaps? )

[Deespicable 2,724]

52 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

The real point is that we should not be playing there at all if we are going to be taken as a serious player in Melbourne

I know the financial arguments but time to look for an alternative source of funds (crowd funding perhaps? )

And that leaves Hawthorn and Tassie where?

[Diamond_Jim 12,549]

Tasmania..... 300 kilometres 3-5 degrees cooler and a flight of 30 mins

Darwin ??

Edited July 5, 2016 by Diamond_Jim

[Bring-Back-Powell 14,778]

3 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Wagner good chance to play: 

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2016-07-05/wagner-a-good-chance-to-return

Btw the game is at night so it won't be 33 degrees.  Overnight low f/cst is 21 so game conditions may not be too bad with no rain for some days and low humidity.

Freo have only about 28 players fit to choose from.

So even allowing for their extended break it will be a shock if we don't beat them. 

 

I won't be shocked if we lose.

We haven't won in the NT under Roos and we've barely kicked 5 goals a game against Freo. Add a 6 day break and you'd almost be talking a memorable win if we can knock them off.

[Je Roos Salem 661]

Just now, Bring-Back-Powell said:

I won't be shocked if we lose.

We haven't won in the NT under Roos and we've barely kicked 5 goals a game against Freo. Add a 6 day break and you'd almost be talking a memorable win if we can knock them off.

Agree. But even considering the break, we're talented enough now that I'm confident that this would be a straightforward win at the G. Unfortunately the venue changes everything.

[waynewussell 5,369]

Just watched the second quarter from Punt Rd (was there for the first) and Clayton Oliver was back to his explosive and damaging best. Hands are a weapon from stoppages but we all want him to kick it more. One passage late in the Qtr caught my eye. He took off from the centre bounce after a tap from Spencer, accelerated away and had a long shot from just outside 50... it was touched on the line but the breakaway speed was sensational at that level.

[CBDees 3,167]

3 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

The real point is that we should not be playing there at all if we are going to be taken as a serious player in Melbourne

I know the financial arguments but time to look for an alternative source of funds (crowd funding perhaps? )

If you listened to Watts interview, the players actually enjoy the trip to Darwin. I don't think that it will adversely effect us more than any other team (whose players may actually NOT enjoy it)! If we win, we will be be taken seriously you can rest assured on that.

[Grimes Times 1,278]

6 hours ago, Petraccattack said:

33 degrees and coming off a 6 day break.  Freo coming off a bye.   Ditch these Darwin games FFS

SNAP.

we will be going well to win this one. Freo +19 points or something.  Value bet of the round. 

[Grimes Times 1,278]

6 hours ago, Petraccattack said:

33 degrees and coming off a 6 day break.  Freo coming off a bye.   Ditch these Darwin games FFS

SNAP.

we will be going well to win this one. Freo +19 points or something.  Value bet of the round. 

[SaberFang 7,151]

19 minutes ago, Grimes Times said:

SNAP.

we will be going well to win this one. Freo +19 points or something.  Value bet of the round. 

Yep, this one has loss written all over it. We're predictably awful after 6 days, we've lost every occasion this year and against some very winnable opposition to boot.

[Undeeterred 3,123]

9 hours ago, CBDees said:

If you listened to Watts interview, the players actually enjoy the trip to Darwin. I don't think that it will adversely effect us more than any other team (whose players may actually NOT enjoy it)! If we win, we will be be taken seriously you can rest assured on that.

Just because the players enjoy it doesn't make it a good idea.

[CBDees 3,167]

25 minutes ago, Undeeterred said:

Just because the players enjoy it playing in Darwin doesn't make it a good idea.

Let's see if we win first before you discount it. The sponsorship from the NT Government helped us at a low time and building relationships with the top ends indigenous communities may also bring benefits!