2nd Rounder or Melksham?

[Deemonator 12]

As their has been a lot of speculation (especially after the essendon verdict) wether we should have kept our 2nd round pick this year, i thought i would check our recent history of what we have done with this pick over the recent seasons. Only players picked in 2nd round, not taking into consideration priority picks and expansion team extra picks. Rating System: Good,Pass and Bad. N/A = traded out pick.

2014- Alex Neal-Bullen pick 40  11games. Good 1st Season but too early to rate.

2013 N/A

2012 Jack Viney (f/s) pick 26  49 games. GOOD

2011 Rory Taggert pick 36  0 games. Bad

2010 Jeremy Howe pick 33 100 games. Good

2009 Luke Tapscott pick 18 48 games. Bad

2008 James Strauss pick 19 24 games. Bad

2007 Adam Maric pick 21 31 games. Bad

2006 Ricky Pettard pick 30 84 games. Pass

2005 N/A

2004 N/A

2003 N/A

2002 Jared Rivers pick 26 194 games. Good

 

So since 2013 and going back to 2002 , we have traded out our 2nd rounder 4 times, made three good picks, 1 ok pick and 4 bad ones. About a 50% chance to get a 100 game player out of the draft with our second pick. We should still get 100 games out of Melksham so although the trade looks damning, it won't be the worse bit of business that the footy department has conducted. 

[sue 9,103]

Agree, not the worst decision.  Also, we can add the fact that although Melksham will not play in 2016, it is not likely that a Round 2 pick would do so either. 

So I reckon the rationale behind a lot of the hand-wringing boils down to the argument that Melksham does not look like an A Grader, but there is always hope than a new R2 pick will turn out to be one.  Pretty weak reason to condemn the club.

[Bay Riffin 1,474]

I have no problem with trading out a second rounder for a 100 gamer. makes sense as most overrate draft picks anyway.

but I thought the timing of this was poor. we targeted a player just before he was up before an international doping body, outside the hands of the AFL. could we have targeted other 'decent' half back types with a 4 year deal? footy still seems like the old school 'mates' situation. just bring in those you know. until you get to top 4 that is.

Given we lost Howe I fee we have weakened our experience level now. and that was in our control.

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

14 minutes ago, sue said:

Agree, not the worst decision.  Also, we can add the fact that although Melksham will not play in 2016, it is not likely that a Round 2 pick would do so either. 

So I reckon the rationale behind a lot of the hand-wringing boils down to the argument that Melksham does not look like an A Grader, but there is always hope than a new R2 pick will turn out to be one.  Pretty weak reason to condemn the club.

the reason some of us are condemning the club is because they obviously didn't do their job and predict he would be rubbed out for a year. You can talk for 1000 years and you will never convince me that they expected it to happen, and that they would have gone ahead with the deal anyway, had they known. That means it's a large stuff up. The new regime hasn't made many but this is a howler.

 

ps the fact we drafted a bunch of duds and couldnt develop them over the last decade has precisely ZERO to do with it

Edited January 13, 2016 by Curry & Beer

[Sir Why You Little 37,035]

1 minute ago, Curry & Beer said:

the reason some of us are condemning the club is because they obviously didn't do their job and predict he would be rubbed out for a year. You can talk for 1000 years and you will never convince me that they expected it to happen, and that they would have gone ahead with the deal anyway, had they known. That means it's a large stuff up. The new regime hasn't made many but this is a howler.

The club should have known that CAS was going to come down very hard once it was known information was with held. 

It is outrageous that the AFL had little respect for the CAS Hearing...

[Wiseblood 24,637]

Melksham, every day of the week.  

[stuie 7,374]

5 minutes ago, Curry & Beer said:

the reason some of us are condemning the club is because they obviously didn't do their job and predict he would be rubbed out for a year. You can talk for 1000 years and you will never convince me that they expected it to happen, and that they would have gone ahead with the deal anyway, had they known. That means it's a large stuff up. The new regime hasn't made many but this is a howler.

Think the over reactions are getting worse and worse now.

We won't be paying him. We've still got 3 years on the contract when he comes back. Will be 25 when he begins actually playing for us.

We've still traded a second round pick for a 25 year old who should contribute well enough to make it a win for us trade wise.

Clam down fist shakers.

 

[dazzledavey36 54,901]

Personally i wish we went for David Zarhrakis instead but what would i know..

[Wiseblood 24,637]

Just now, stuie said:

Think the over reactions are getting worse and worse now.

We won't be paying him. We've still got 3 years on the contract when he comes back. Will be 25 when he begins actually playing for us.

We've still traded a second round pick for a 25 year old who should contribute well enough to make it a win for us trade wise.

Clam down fist shakers.

 

You're not going to change their view on it Stuie, so I don't know why you're bothering after the discussion that went on in the other thread.

They want to shake fists, others want to be reasonable.  That's life.

[Deemonator 12]

5 minutes ago, Curry & Beer said:

the reason some of us are condemning the club is because they obviously didn't do their job and predict he would be rubbed out for a year. You can talk for 1000 years and you will never convince me that they expected it to happen, and that they would have gone ahead with the deal anyway, had they known. That means it's a large stuff up. The new regime hasn't made many but this is a howler.

I don't think many people in the inner circle of the afl or the outer saw the severity of the outcome coming. At the end of the day we have a player who will be a good contributor to the MFC albeit not until 2017 though.

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,393]

 A new thread....surprise.

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

5 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

You're not going to change their view on it Stuie, so I don't know why you're bothering after the discussion that went on in the other thread.

They want to shake fists, others want to be reasonable.  That's life.

we were on the losing end, but not by much, of the trade in the first place. Now it's a year less footy and a cheater on our list. It's a stinker.

[Wiseblood 24,637]

Just now, Curry & Beer said:

we were on the losing end, but not by much, of the trade in the first place. Now it's a year less footy and a cheater on our list. It's a stinker.

We've had this discussion.  Move on.

[rjay 24,921]

20 minutes ago, stuie said:

Think the over reactions are getting worse and worse now.

We won't be paying him. We've still got 3 years on the contract when he comes back. Will be 25 when he begins actually playing for us.

We've still traded a second round pick for a 25 year old who should contribute well enough to make it a win for us trade wise.

Clam down fist shakers.

 

Can you show me the evidence of this 'stuie', not arguing with you it's just I've seen nothing concrete on player payments...

[stuie 7,374]

5 minutes ago, rjay said:

Can you show me the evidence of this 'stuie', not arguing with you it's just I've seen nothing concrete on player payments...

I'm only going by what I've heard, could turn out to be incorrect I guess. The only "concrete" thing I've read is that the AFLPA will negotiate with the AFL for a compensation for the current Essendon players suspended, nothing mentioned of other teams.

 

Edit - The impression I get from this article is that the banned players will be seeking compensation from Essendon seeing they can't be officially paid this year.

 

 

Edited January 13, 2016 by stuie

[Redleg 40,912]

We have plenty of youngsters on our list. It is not a failing this year, to not have taken another. 

If we wanted another, we would have paid out Terlich. We clearly wanted some more experience and hence the three we traded for. 

Not everyone added to a list makes the 22, especially in the first year anyway.

It is done, so let's move on. 

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

46 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

We've had this discussion.  Move on.

well excuse me. It's a new day and a new thread and you didn't restrain yourself from asserting your position again.

'stuie likes this' fmd

[Wiseblood 24,637]

Just now, Curry & Beer said:

well excuse me. It's a new day and a new thread and you didn't restrain yourself from asserting your position again.

'stuie likes this' fmd

I wasn't even talking to you.  You're the one who quoted me.

Move on.

[DubDee 25,858]

Id take the 2nd rounder even if he wasn't banned for 2016 as I dont rate him highly and never have

 

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,503]

24 year old, big bodied mid fielder with pace who is a proven player at AFL level over a second round pick in a shallow draft.

I wasn't doing cartwheels at the time, but I still believed it was a good trade.  He's sitting out a year and while disappointing, it doesn't change the fact that we've recruited a player who should be a good contributor for the next seven or so years.

I'd take Melksham.

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

2 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

I wasn't even talking to you.  You're the one who quoted me.

Move on.

you were obviously talking ABOUT me, and in any case, I don't need your permission/approval to make a post thanks

[Gorgoroth 12,950]

Oh joy a new thread full of pointless bickering by the same old people. Must be Groundhog Day.

[Gator 17,332]

5 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

You're not going to change their view on it Stuie, so I don't know why you're bothering after the discussion that went on in the other thread.

Stu spends his life being professionally offended.  He's not stopping any time soon.

[daisycutter 29,613]

30 minutes ago, Gorgoroth said:

Oh joy a new thread full of pointless bickering by the same old people. Must be Groundhog Day.

every day is groundhog day at demonland 

[old dee 23,790]

2 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

every day is groundhog day at demonland 

I am very confident all that is about to change in 2016 dc