The AFL is having a bad run with players from different clubs getting into hot water. Investigations are continuing into claims of rape by two Hawthorn players on a teenage girl in a taxi a week after the grand final. This week footage on A Current Affair emerged of Jake Carlisle apparently snorting a line of white substance and now the story of two of the Brisbane men charged over the rape during an Australia Day party being members of the Brisbane Lions academy squad - Lawyer for one of four alleged Australia Day rapists says incident was a youthful prank

I don't think we can discuss the case while it's before the court but I wonder if this is going to affect the upcoming draft?

Who needs enemies hey. I always thought me and my mates did some crazy things to each other when passed out, but can safely say that would never happen.

I don't think we can discuss the case while it's before the court but I wonder if this is going to affect the upcoming draft?

Yes ... let's keep it that way and concentrate on the impact of this news on football and the draft.

Yes ... let's keep it that way and concentrate on the impact of this news on football and the draft.

From what I can make of it, the players involved are 19 or 20, have been overlooked in the draft before, and will be overlooked again. So, I don't think it will have any impact on the draft. No doubt the Brisbane 'culture' will come into question again though.

Just really disappointing to read yet another type of incident like this.

Just really disappointing to read yet another type of incident like this.

Disingenuous of the players brief describing it as a prank.

Worst prank ever!!

after carlisle and this brisvegas episode the term "mates" takes on a new meaning

I doubt the friendship has continued....

Makes shaving my mates eyebrows off when they were flaked seem very tame.

The AFL is having a bad run with players from different clubs getting into hot water. Investigations are continuing into claims of rape by two Hawthorn players on a teenage girl in a taxi a week after the grand final. This week footage on A Current Affair emerged of Jake Carlisle apparently snorting a line of white substance and now the story of two of the Brisbane men charged over the rape during an Australia Day party being members of the Brisbane Lions academy squad - Lawyer for one of four alleged Australia Day rapists says incident was a youthful prank

I don't think we can discuss the case while it's before the court but I wonder if this is going to affect the upcoming draft?

I don't think the AFL are having a bad run, I just think that to date - they have had a good run. A lot of incidents get covered up, either by club or league. Now social media is firmly entrenched into society, I expect there will be far more incidents. AFL players are under a lot of pressure, IMO it is unrealistic to expect them all to act 'proper'. Issues of rape, assault, drugs, gambling, alcohol, domestic violence - these are all broader societal issues, and AFL players are not immune them. That isn't to justify their behavior in the slightest, they should be held accountable like the rest of us, but I am never surprised to hear of these types of incidents, sportsman are human like the rest of us.

The ease at which people can record and upload stupid acts is matched by the ignorance of those involved thinking it means nothing or is harmless. Cannot believe the lawyer would claim it is a youthful prank.

I don't think the AFL are having a bad run, I just think that to date - they have had a good run. A lot of incidents get covered up, either by club or league. Now social media is firmly entrenched into society, I expect there will be far more incidents. AFL players are under a lot of pressure, IMO it is unrealistic to expect them all to act 'proper'. Issues of rape, assault, drugs, gambling, alcohol, domestic violence - these are all broader societal issues, and AFL players are not immune them. That isn't to justify their behavior in the slightest, they should be held accountable like the rest of us, but I am never surprised to hear of these types of incidents, sportsman are human like the rest of us.

Unrealistic to expect members of society to act like members of society?

Unrealistic to expect members of society to act like members of society?

How many members of society are well behaved at all times? Certainly not all. IMO it is unrealistic to expect AFL players to be any different.

In some cases, I wonder why I still follow AFL football when you consider some of the attitudes that seem so prevalent amongst the leading opinion makers of the code and a subsection of it's players.

Francis Leach was right in his article that it's becoming a redneck wonderland when you take into account the unashamed sexism, racism and lack of decency abounding from some supporters and players of the code.

That being said, the key word in this debate is 'some'. The AFL is improving on some fronts and that gives me hope. Not all supporters as well are grade A Reg Reagan meatheads either and that gives me hope. It seems though that the days of 'Boris the chicken' are still with us in regards to attitudes towards women with AFL players.

I don't think the AFL are having a bad run, I just think that to date - they have had a good run. A lot of incidents get covered up, either by club or league. Now social media is firmly entrenched into society, I expect there will be far more incidents. AFL players are under a lot of pressure, IMO it is unrealistic to expect them all to act 'proper'. Issues of rape, assault, drugs, gambling, alcohol, domestic violence - these are all broader societal issues, and AFL players are not immune them. That isn't to justify their behavior in the slightest, they should be held accountable like the rest of us, but I am never surprised to hear of these types of incidents, sportsman are human like the rest of us.

It is absolutely realistic to expect these players not to rape people, assault people, or be violent towards their partners. That is the standard set in society, it is never acceptable. That doesn't mean it doesn't happen but it is not acceptable in society full stop. To brush it off as unrealistic to expect this standard is abhorrent and part of the issue of violence against women and the attitudes of society towards women. You are basically excusing their behavior because others do it. The rest of your comment makes sense but this bit is wrong, it may be the way it is worded but it is the wrong message.

It is absolutely realistic to expect these players not to rape people, assault people, or be violent towards their partners. That is the standard set in society, it is never acceptable. That doesn't mean it doesn't happen but it is not acceptable in society full stop. To brush it off as unrealistic to expect this standard is abhorrent and part of the issue of violence against women and the attitudes of society towards women. You are basically excusing their behavior because others do it. The rest of your comment makes sense but this bit is wrong, it may be the way it is worded but it is the wrong message.

Yeah, I understand that. It was in the wording, and I should've worded it is a little smarter. I didn't intend on associating the word 'proper' - with rape, assault, drugs, etc. When I referred to proper, I just meant acceptable behavior (a proper of decent way of conducting themselves). Its just those other issues (rape, DV, drugs) came in the next sentence. I don't mean to justify those other issues (rape, DV, drugs) either, I understand they happen, and AFL players aren't immune to them, they should be held 100% accountable.

Edited October 28, 201510 yr by KingDingAling

Yeah, I understand that. It was in the wording, and I should've worded it is a little smarter. I didn't intend on associating the word 'proper' - with rape, assault, drugs, etc. When I referred to proper, I just meant acceptable behavior (a proper of decent way of conducting themselves). Its just those other issues (rape, DV, drugs) came in the next sentence. I don't mean to justify those other issues (rape, DV, drugs) either, I understand they happen, and AFL players aren't immune to them, they should be help 100% accountable.

Thought it may be in the wording but it didn't sound good. Thanks for clarifying.

If i thought i was going to be drafted by the Lions i'd start playing up to.

Its what will keep Caroline Wilson employed

You know what I find funny, violence against women is very very wrong, but the number one book with female readers is 50 Shades of Grey, talk about mixed messages, I have never hit a woman nor have I treat women badly, for young men this sends mixed messages, we are told to respect women, and we should but women disrespect themselves to often.

You know what I find funny, violence against women is very very wrong, but the number one book with female readers is 50 Shades of Grey, talk about mixed messages, I have never hit a woman nor have I treat women badly, for young men this sends mixed messages, we are told to respect women, and we should but women disrespect themselves to often.

The difference is that poor lad didn't have a safe word!

You know what I find funny, violence against women is very very wrong, but the number one book with female readers is 50 Shades of Grey, talk about mixed messages, I have never hit a woman nor have I treat women badly, for young men this sends mixed messages, we are told to respect women, and we should but women disrespect themselves to often.

That might be because fantasy - even (perhaps especially) badly written fantasy - and reality aren't the same thing.

But in any case see post #3 above.

That might be because fantasy - even (perhaps especially) badly written fantasy - and reality aren't the same thing.

But in any case see post #3 above.

You're messing with my head Dr.

You're messing with my head Dr.

Sorry, should have said for most of us.

Actually shouldn't have said anything at all since the main point was to try and avoid a major sidetracking of the thread, which immediately occurred (and has now been excised).