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57 minutes ago, olisik said:

Outside of skin complexion and hair color they look nothing alike...

Height - similar

Body shape - similar

Hair colour - similar

Skin complexion - similar

Jumper number - similar

Come on...

 

3 hours ago, Baghdad Bob said:

Look, I reckon we are past the stage of needing to highlight Jordie's deficiencies.  Of course Oliver is a (several) classes above in terms of skill but the reality is if he can get the best out of himself the way Jordie did there is soo much to like.  And his interview suggests to me he will.

Frankly from what I've seen I like Oliver more at this stage of his career than of Brayshaw at the same stage - and I reckon Brayshaw is/will be a gun.

Oliver has flown under the radar this preseason but I think the radar will pick him up soon.

Acknowledging Jordie's skill deficiencies, if every player on our list got as much out of their potential as did Jordie, we would be a bloody good side.  Top 4.  

For too long, up until now, many have not.

Jordie's endeavour and work ethic should be held as a target for all.

Looking forward to Clarrie having a long and distinguished career in the R&B.

 

McKenzie and Oliver look nothing alike.  Cant believe people are still comparing them, jesus christ

4 hours ago, Clint Bizkit said:

His handpass technique looks similar to McKenzie's too (albeit more effective).

For Chrisakes can we stop comparing Clayton Oliver to Jordie Mc Kenzie.

Same hair color , same number, but that's where the similarity ends!

Jordy Maximised every bit of ability that he had,which wasn't much to start with and played AFL footy. In my view plenty of blokes with stack more ability than him never ever played a game. He was an average kick, average handball, average mark, but could tag another player and that's about it! Lets face it Jordy Mc Kenzie was an indictment on our recruiting at the time and I doubt whether he would have been on anyone else's list. The fact that we gave him a 3 or was it 4 Year deal is damning at best! A deal of a lifetime for a tagger in a low performing footy team, what planet were we on??

Oliver on the other hand already has displayed "Rare" awareness of those around him and seems to have time to lay of damaging handballs which create havock with oppositions. He has pace, grunt and hunts the ball. I have already compared him to Greg Williams with his shimmy and stunning movement laterally and the fact he picked every right option to handball. Lets face it Dom Tyson could learn a thing or two about dishing of first time rather than trying to break every tackle on the planet!

Clayton Oliver is NOTHING like Jordy Mc Kenzie in a footballing sense and IMV he will become a 200 game player with the Dees! Now stop comparing him. 

Jordy Mc Kenzie gave everthing he had and deserves accolades for playing AFL footy. But that's it!

Edited by picket fence


Looked at Parish closely and I'm rapt we chose Oliver.  Parish will be a good player in time, but he's a mile off competing against strong bodied mids (who he didn't come up against today).

2 hours ago, picket fence said:

For Chrisakes can we stop comparing Clayton Oliver to Jordie Mc Kenzie.

Same hair color , same number, but that's where the similarity ends!

Jordy Maximised every bit of ability that he had,which wasn't much to start with and played AFL footy. In my view plenty of blokes with stack more ability than him never ever played a game. He was an average kick, average handball, average mark, but could tag another player and that's about it! Lets face it Jordy Mc Kenzie was an indictment on our recruiting at the time and I doubt whether he would have been on anyone else's list. The fact that we gave him a 3 or was it 4 Year deal is damning at best! A deal of a lifetime for a tagger in a low performing footy team, what planet were we on??

Oliver on the other hand already has displayed "Rare" awareness of those around him and seems to have time to lay of damaging handballs which create havock with oppositions. He has pace, grunt and hunts the ball. I have already compared him to Greg Williams with his shimmy and stunning movement laterally and the fact he picked every right option to handball. Lets face it Dom Tyson could learn a thing or two about dishing of first time rather than trying to break every tackle on the planet!

Clayton Oliver is NOTHING like Jordy Mc Kenzie in a footballing sense and IMV he will become a 200 game player with the Dees! Now stop comparing him. 

Jordy Mc Kenzie gave everthing he had and deserves accolades for playing AFL footy. But that's it!

No, his handpass technique is very similar and like McKenzie his first option more often than not is to handpass.

 
2 hours ago, picket fence said:

For Chrisakes can we stop comparing Clayton Oliver to Jordie Mc Kenzie.

Same hair color , same number, but that's where the similarity ends!

Jordy Maximised every bit of ability that he had,which wasn't much to start with and played AFL footy. In my view plenty of blokes with stack more ability than him never ever played a game. He was an average kick, average handball, average mark, but could tag another player and that's about it! Lets face it Jordy Mc Kenzie was an indictment on our recruiting at the time and I doubt whether he would have been on anyone else's list. The fact that we gave him a 3 or was it 4 Year deal is damning at best! A deal of a lifetime for a tagger in a low performing footy team, what planet were we on??

Oliver on the other hand already has displayed "Rare" awareness of those around him and seems to have time to lay of damaging handballs which create havock with oppositions. He has pace, grunt and hunts the ball. I have already compared him to Greg Williams with his shimmy and stunning movement laterally and the fact he picked every right option to handball. Lets face it Dom Tyson could learn a thing or two about dishing of first time rather than trying to break every tackle on the planet!

Clayton Oliver is NOTHING like Jordy Mc Kenzie in a footballing sense and IMV he will become a 200 game player with the Dees! Now stop comparing him. 

Jordy Mc Kenzie gave everthing he had and deserves accolades for playing AFL footy. But that's it!

He wasn't an average handball at all.

And how about people compare whomever they want and you stick to ranting and raving and capslock.

2 hours ago, Nasher said:

<-- is sorry for ever mentioning it

Ban them all :)


7 hours ago, ProDee said:

Unlike Jordie, you want the ball in Oliver's hands.  

 

That sweeping handball on the wing to the player in space epitomises his composure and footy smarts.

 

He's a different type of player, but he'll be as good as Brayshaw.

 

Gawn, Brayshaw, Oliver, Viney, Salem, vandenBerg, Tyson, Petracca will be a formidable group in years to come.

And from what we've seen and heard, they all love the contested ball, and relish laying a tackle. 

No backward steps from these blokes!!

Need to see a replay but at this stage I can't believe his tackle would be anything more than a free kick. He didn't pin the arms and there wasn't a double movement. Any slinging aspect should be blamed on the player with the ball as much as the tackler. If you can't keep your balance, evade or dispose of the ball without getting hurt then don't get the ball!

1 hour ago, Clint Bizkit said:

No, his handpass technique is very similar and like McKenzie his first option more often than not is to handpass.

Handpass technique?? Please illuminate me?

Edited by picket fence

Great attitude, good size and looks to know how to get the footy and then use it. Can't wait to see him with Petracca and Vanders

let's just remember, this is all nasher's fault.

 

kid looks a jet. natural ball winner and knows how to use it from the looks of things. perhaps too prone to handball would be the one knock on what we saw yesterday.

 

ability to win the contest as well as work super hard defensively and lay some serious tackles is massively encouraging.


You're in the guts, you handball a lot. Viney started the same way.

Just watched the replay. Yeah there's a bit of a slinging motion but Young attempts to stop and spin around Oliver who doesn't pin the arms, doesn't lift him and doesn't pile drive him. We're in trouble if that's a dangerous tackle because you're mostly penalising a bloke for being harder and stronger not for dangerous technique.

You're a bunch of Gingerist's and I won't take part in this thread. 

They can't help they all look the same.

Edited by Ethan Tremblay

52 minutes ago, Bring Back Barassi said:

I dunno about Jordie McKenzie, but Clayton sure looks a hell of a lot like TinTin

tintin.jpeg

he even handballs like tintin


1 hour ago, Deestroy All said:

You're in the guts, you handball a lot. Viney started the same way.

Once they find their feet they take a few steps in a burst before dishing it off. Boak did that quite afew times yesterday....

Fantastic debut for Oliver.  Seems a natural footballer; finds the right position and the ball seems to find him.  Actually reminds me a bit of vandenBerg.

If he plays like that in NAB two and three, then he'll be playing round one.

5 hours ago, Clint Bizkit said:

No, his handpass technique is very similar and like McKenzie his first option more often than not is to handpass.

100% this will be encouraged by the coaches, his ability to handball through congestion or to moving targets in space is not necessarily picking his first option but the best option. 

His hand balling is creative and it is tough to find someone who has the time in a stoppage to be creative. Fyfe does this by drawing in two opponents creating space to allow him to give it over the top to a team mate, whereas Oliver does it through his ability to see what is happening and how it could pan out and picking the option in the best position. 

 
11 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Just watched the replay. Yeah there's a bit of a slinging motion but Young attempts to stop and spin around Oliver who doesn't pin the arms, doesn't lift him and doesn't pile drive him. We're in trouble if that's a dangerous tackle because you're mostly penalising a bloke for being harder and stronger not for dangerous technique.

You can disagree with the direction of the AFL and slinging but unless you havent been watching for the last two years - it is pretty simple - the tackle Oliver did, had it resulted in an injury to Young would have cost him a suspension. You can suggest "we are in trouble" all you like - the reality is the reality.

It's been mentioned before in his TAC highlights that it was evident that he sometimes slings in his tackles. He  doesn't need to stop tackling but he does need to improve his technique or he will get rubbed out.

( as much it would hurt , I prefer a footballer with a desire to tackle that may on occasion earn the wrath of the MRP rather than a footballer who has no appetite for the physical aspect of the game)

Edited by nutbean

He looks like an early season Rising Star nominee.


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