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Plough wallace who i actually enjoy listening to has been very big wraps for our club ever since he made Barratt look silly on the Dom Tyson trade.

Most of his stuff is actually well worth listening too.

Yeah he's pretty shrewd he killed it at the Tigers.
 

Yeah he's pretty shrewd he killed it at the Tigers.

He is and he was a very good coach, things didn't work at the Tiges for a lot of reasons and whilst the coach bares the blame it's often more complicated than that.

Yeah he's pretty shrewd he killed it at the Tigers.

I dont care what he did at the tiges. I enjoy listening to him talk alot of sense compared to the NQR on here and Barrett aswell.

 

I don't mind what Terry says, it's just the voice he says it in.

Poor old Terry doesn't have a voice for media, yet his counter-part may have a smooth voice (though full of disdain with anything mfc related) but not a brain for the footy landscape. They make a brilliant pairing

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-22/indicative-draft-order-your-clubs-provisional-picks-as-trade-period-unfolds

I think our picks 46 and 50 will come forward quite a few slots by the time the Swans, Giants and Lions burn picks for Academy players - yes 5 new picks get inserted but more picks get consumed - all those picks between 33 and 44 will get swallowed up except the Freo pick - that's 11 picks - we might effectively sneak back into the end of the 2nd round

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-09-30/highlyrated-pair-nominated-as-academy-picks-for-draft

http://www.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/AFL/Files/biddingsystemfeedback.pdf

PS. Gotta pray GCS takes Didymus Blanket !!!


I honestly can't see the benefit in a bunch of these pick swaps with Sydney, Bulldogs, Fremantle etc. Are they just bored and doing it for kicks?

and Talia and 4th round for an earlier fourth round to Sydney?! Huge steal to Sydney there. Watch them make him into a defensive rock.

Sydney got a bonus there. Bulldogs game plan.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-22/indicative-draft-order-your-clubs-provisional-picks-as-trade-period-unfolds

I think our picks 46 and 50 will come forward at least a few slots by the time the Swans, Giants and Lions burn picks for Academy players - yes new picks get inserted but more picks get consumed - we might effectively sneak back into the end of the 2nd round

Thought we might have tried to upgrade 46 and 50 for 34 from GWS. They dont need that pick if 1) they are trying to reduce list size and 2) using points for 2 academy players?

This is the official AFL indicative draft order after close of trades today: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-22/indicative-draft-order-your-clubs-provisional-picks-as-trade-period-unfolds?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=RSS+feed%3A+AFL+Latest+News

Something looks horribly wrong for Sydney! The picks they have are: 33, 36, 37, 44, 54, 69, 72, worth 2198 draft points.

Maybe the AFL table is wrong but it does reflect the listed trades made by Sydney.

If Callum Mills is selected at 1, 2, or 3 Sydney do not have enough points.

If you can see an error in the above let me know.

I can't see Callum Mills getting pass pick 3 as we have it.

I have hesitated posting this in case we all get too excited so showing the state of play as it looks atmo.

I will keep an eye on the official draft order and see if there are any changes for Sydney.

Watch this space!

Did I read somewhere that Sydney get a discount?

 

Did I read somewhere that Sydney get a discount?

Good pick-up!!! Thanks.

The discount will cover the difference.

Ignore my prior post, folks.

In fact I will delete it.


I will give you a run through - if we go for Mills at ND3 the Swans have to meet 2234 minus 25%: 1675.5.

That will consume picks 33, 36, 37, and move 44 back to 53. If they need to fill out their list - they will do it at the end of the draft.

We will have ND4 suddenly, as Sydney is installed into ND3 to take Mills.

No brainer from Sydney to take him with those picks. From there they will have around 322 points for any other Academy players and, this is an important point, any club can take a deficit into the next draft.

http://mobile.news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-trade-period-winners-and-losers/story-fndv7pj3-1227578519929

"The Magpies picked up the best player not named Dangerfield while also adding one of Melbourne's five best players ".

My sides hurt.

It would be difficult to write a worse trade appraisal than that. Almost across the board.

lol. Jai Bednall you're not doing yourself any favours.

Guessing he's a Pies supporter. Essendon being in the winners also made me laugh.


Guessing he's a Pies supporter. Essendon being in the winners also made me laugh.

The bombers since Gumbleton at 2 havnt had very high picks that was a long time ago.

There'll be 50+ deals done this period, or close to it.

For the record Nudge 37. A bit of movement this trade period.

Highlights - it's over

After several weeks of haggling, Carlton's Chris Yarran was today finally traded from Carlton to Richmond. The Blues had their hearts set on a better pick, but eventually relented, accepting pick 19 from the Tigers.

James Aish got his wish to move to Collingwood, with the deal eventually being a complicated three way trade involving North Melbourne and Brisbane, as well as an exchange of several draft picks.

As part of the Aish trade, North Melbourne's Ryan Bastinac got the fresh start he was after, moving to the Brisbane Lions.

After several weeks of controversy, Western Bulldogs defender Michael Talia moved to Sydney in a trade lodged with just minutes to spare.

Carlton made a last-minute pitch to land GWS key position player Adam Tomlinson, however, they were unsuccessful, with the Giants unwilling to let another one of their stars leave.

Cam McCarthy will be playing at the Giants next season, despite his wishes to be traded to the Dockers. His manager saying that he will definitely be back again in 12 months time looking to get the trade done.

EVERY TRADE COMPLETED:

Matthew Suckling moves from Hawthorn to the Western Bulldogs as an unrestricted free agent.

Scott Selwood moves from West Coast to Geelong as a restricted free agent.

Patrick Dangerfield and pick 50 traded from Adelaide to Geelong in exchange for picks 9, 28 and player Dean Gore.

Jack Redden traded from Brisbane to West Coast in exchange for pick number 17.

Lachie Henderson traded from Carlton to Geelong in exchange for Carlton's first round pick in the 2016 NAB AFL Draft.

Harley Bennell and pick 22 traded from Gold Coast to Fremantle in exchange for picks 16 and 35.

Callum Sinclair traded from West Coast to Sydney in exchange for Lewis Jetta.

Jake Melksham traded from Essendon to Melbourne in exchange for pick 25.

Matthew Leuenberger moves from Brisbane to Essendon as a restricted free agent.

Jed Anderson, pick 38 and pick 40 traded from Hawthorn to North Melbourne in exchange for pick 15 and pick 55.

Dawson Simpson moves from Geelong to GWS as an unrestricted free agent.

Curtley Hampton traded from GWS to Adelaide in exchange for Adelaide's second round pick in the 2016 NAB AFL Draft.

Jacob Townsend and pick 120 traded from GWS to Richmond in exchange for pick 70.

Tom Bell and pick 41 traded from Carlton to Brisbane in exchange for pick 21 and pick 60.

Zac Smith traded from Gold Coast to Geelong in exchange for picks 49 and 53.

Daniel Currie traded from North Melbourne to Gold Coast in exchange for pick 53.

Josh Walker and Jarrad Jansen traded from Geelong to Brisbane in exchange for Brisbane's third round pick in the 2016 NAB AFL Draft.

Steve Johnson traded from Geelong to GWS in exchange for GWS's fifth round pick in the 2016 NAB AFL Draft.

Jonathan Giles and pick 62 traded to West Coast in exchange for pick 57.

Paul Seedsman traded from Collingwood to Adelaide in exchange for pick 32.

Jimmy Toumpas traded from Melbourne to Port Adelaide in exchange for pick 50 and pick 68

Jeremy Howe and pick 68 traded from Melbourne to Collingwood in exchange for Ben Kennedy and pick 32

Pick 32 traded from Melbourne to Port Adelaide in exchange for pick 29.

Nathan Freeman and pick 68 traded from Collingwood to St Kilda in exchange for pick 63 and St Kilda's round two pick in the 2016 NAB AFL Draft.

Charlie Dixon and pick 49 traded from Gold Coast to Port Adelaide in exchange for pick 10 and the club's round two pick in the 2016 NAB AFL Draft.

Pick 31 and the club's round two pick in the 2016 NAB AFL Draft traded from Richmond to Gold Coast in exchange for pick 19.

Jake Carlisle traded from Essendon to St Kilda

Pick 14 traded from Sydney to St Kilda

Pick 5 traded from St Kilda to Essendon

Craig Bird and pick 24 traded from Sydney to Essendon

Pick 23 and pick 44 traded from Essendon to Sydney

Pick 3, 10 and 43 traded from Gold Coast to Melbourne in exchange for pick 6, 29 and the Melbourne's first round pick in the 2016 NAB AFL Draft.

Matt Rosa traded from West Coast to Gold Coast in exchange for pick 31

Troy Menzel traded from Carlton to Adelaide in exchange for Sam Kerridge and pick 28

Pick 28, 77, 95 and Carlton's round one pick in the 2016 NAB AFL Draft traded to GWS in exchange for Lachie Plowman, Jed Lamb, Andrew Phillips, Liam Sumner and the Giants' round one pick in the 2016 NAB AFL Draft. Adam Treloar and pick 28 traded from GWS to Collingwood in exchange for pick 7, pick 65 and Collingwood's round one pick in the 2016 NAB AFL Draft. Jack Fitzpatrick traded from Melbourne to Hawthorn in exchange for pick 94.

Tomas Bugg and pick 7 traded from GWS to Melbourne in exchange for pick 10, 43 and 64.

Pick 55 and 58 traded from Hawthorn to GWS in exchange for pick 48.

James Aish traded from Brisbane to Collingwood in exchange for pick 26 and Collingwood's round two selection in the 2016 NAB AFL Draft.

Pick 34 and 53 traded from North Melbourne to Collingwood in exchange for pick 28 and pick 47.

Ryan Bastinac, pick 38, pick 40 and North Melbourne's round three selection in the 2016 NAB AFL Draft traded from North Melbourne to Brisbane in exchange for pick 17 and 26.

Pick 36 and 37 traded from West Coast to Sydney in exchange for pick 23. Pick 11 and the Western Bulldogs' round three selection in the 2016 NAB AFL Draft traded from the Western Bulldogs to Carlton in exchange for pick 20 and 21.

Chris Yarran traded from Carlton to Richmond in exchange for pick 19.

Pick 34, pick 53 and pick 63 traded from Collingwood to GWS in exchange for pick 27, pick 66, pick 77 and pick 84.

Michael Talia traded from the Western Bulldogs to Sydney in exchange for pick 69 the the Western Bulldogs' fourth round pick in the 2016 NAB AFL Draft.

Pick 56 and Fremantle's round two selection in the 206 NAB AFL Draft traded from Fremantle to Gold Coast in exchange for pick 35 and pick 61.

Wallace tended to believe his own hype when he became the Tigers coach.
At the Bulldogs, he was a bloody good coach. He took teams that quite frankly had little genuine class (besides Chris Grant and maybe Scotty West). Most of the blokes he had got there via pure grunt and a commitment to the game plan.
When he got to Richmond, he thought he was some kind of football genius and proceeded to pay the price. His spray after the loss to Port and his slagging off of Danny Frawley showed where his head was at at the time.
I think after the Richmond experience, he got the reality check he needed. His road back to respectability began when he apologized to David Smorgon (which he should have done to start with).

Since that time, I don't find his comments overly objectionable.

Wallace tended to believe his own hype when he became the Tigers coach.

At the Bulldogs, he was a bloody good coach. He took teams that quite frankly had little genuine class (besides Chris Grant and maybe Scotty West). Most of the blokes he had got there via pure grunt and a commitment to the game plan.

When he got to Richmond, he thought he was some kind of football genius and proceeded to pay the price. His spray after the loss to Port and his slagging off of Danny Frawley showed where his head was at at the time.

I think after the Richmond experience, he got the reality check he needed. His road back to respectability began when he apologized to David Smorgon (which he should have done to start with).

Since that time, I don't find his comments overly objectionable.

His playing career alone might have been enough to set him up as a media personality and he did a great job at the Dogs. Funny how he gets the blame for things going sour when it probably should've been on both parties.

Richmond and he went down together. They did start the same process of multiple picks under 20 they just took 4 guys who couldn't play. Just like Melbourne would later do to Bailey.

Pick 1 - Deledio

Pick 4 - Tambling

Pick 12 - Danny Meyer

Pick 16 - Adam Pattison

Pick 20 - Dean Polo

Their next draft was even worse.

Besides Deledio the rest were plonkers.

The thing that annoys me about Wallace is that he's gone for the list management pathway and working with croc media where the strength of his coaching was probably tactical analysis.

But he does have a pretty solid handle on the draft, players across the league, list management priorities and he's even worked out the academy stuff way ahead of most.


Highlights - it's over

After several weeks of haggling, Carlton's Chris Yarran was today finally traded from Carlton to Richmond. The Blues had their hearts set on a better pick, but eventually relented, accepting pick 19 from the Tigers.James Aish got his wish to move to Collingwood, with the deal eventually being a complicated three way trade involving North Melbourne and Brisbane, as well as an exchange of several draft picks.

As part of the Aish trade, North Melbourne's Ryan Bastinac got the fresh start he was after, moving to the Brisbane Lions.

After several weeks of controversy, Western Bulldogs defender Michael Talia moved to Sydney in a trade lodged with just minutes to spare.

Carlton made a last-minute pitch to land GWS key position player Adam Tomlinson, however, they were unsuccessful, with the Giants unwilling to let another one of their stars leave.Cam McCarthy will be playing at the Giants next season, despite his wishes to be traded to the Dockers. His manager saying that he will definitely be back again in 12 months time looking to get the trade done.

EVERY TRADE COMPLETED:

Matthew Suckling moves from Hawthorn to the Western Bulldogs as an unrestricted free agent.

Scott Selwood moves from West Coast to Geelong as a restricted free agent.

Patrick Dangerfield and pick 50 traded from Adelaide to Geelong in exchange for picks 9, 28 and player Dean Gore.

Jack Redden traded from Brisbane to West Coast in exchange for pick number 17.

Lachie Henderson traded from Carlton to Geelong in exchange for Carlton's first round pick in the 2016 NAB AFL Draft.

Harley Bennell and pick 22 traded from Gold Coast to Fremantle in exchange for picks 16 and 35.

Callum Sinclair traded from West Coast to Sydney in exchange for Lewis Jetta.

Jake Melksham traded from Essendon to Melbourne in exchange for pick 25.

Matthew Leuenberger moves from Brisbane to Essendon as a restricted free agent.

Jed Anderson, pick 38 and pick 40 traded from Hawthorn to North Melbourne in exchange for pick 15 and pick 55.

Dawson Simpson moves from Geelong to GWS as an unrestricted free agent.

Curtley Hampton traded from GWS to Adelaide in exchange for Adelaide's second round pick in the 2016 NAB AFL Draft.

Jacob Townsend and pick 120 traded from GWS to Richmond in exchange for pick 70.

Tom Bell and pick 41 traded from Carlton to Brisbane in exchange for pick 21 and pick 60.

Zac Smith traded from Gold Coast to Geelong in exchange for picks 49 and 53.

Daniel Currie traded from North Melbourne to Gold Coast in exchange for pick 53.

Josh Walker and Jarrad Jansen traded from Geelong to Brisbane in exchange for Brisbane's third round pick in the 2016 NAB AFL Draft.

Steve Johnson traded from Geelong to GWS in exchange for GWS's fifth round pick in the 2016 NAB AFL Draft.

Jonathan Giles and pick 62 traded to West Coast in exchange for pick 57.

Paul Seedsman traded from Collingwood to Adelaide in exchange for pick 32.

Jimmy Toumpas traded from Melbourne to Port Adelaide in exchange for pick 50 and pick 68

Jeremy Howe and pick 68 traded from Melbourne to Collingwood in exchange for Ben Kennedy and pick 32

Pick 32 traded from Melbourne to Port Adelaide in exchange for pick 29.

Nathan Freeman and pick 68 traded from Collingwood to St Kilda in exchange for pick 63 and St Kilda's round two pick in the 2016 NAB AFL Draft.

Charlie Dixon and pick 49 traded from Gold Coast to Port Adelaide in exchange for pick 10 and the club's round two pick in the 2016 NAB AFL Draft.

Pick 31 and the club's round two pick in the 2016 NAB AFL Draft traded from Richmond to Gold Coast in exchange for pick 19.

Jake Carlisle traded from Essendon to St Kilda

Pick 14 traded from Sydney to St Kilda

Pick 5 traded from St Kilda to Essendon

Craig Bird and pick 24 traded from Sydney to Essendon

Pick 23 and pick 44 traded from Essendon to Sydney

Pick 3, 10 and 43 traded from Gold Coast to Melbourne in exchange for pick 6, 29 and the Melbourne's first round pick in the 2016 NAB AFL Draft.

Matt Rosa traded from West Coast to Gold Coast in exchange for pick 31

Troy Menzel traded from Carlton to Adelaide in exchange for Sam Kerridge and pick 28

Pick 28, 77, 95 and Carlton's round one pick in the 2016 NAB AFL Draft traded to GWS in exchange for Lachie Plowman, Jed Lamb, Andrew Phillips, Liam Sumner and the Giants' round one pick in the 2016 NAB AFL Draft. Adam Treloar and pick 28 traded from GWS to Collingwood in exchange for pick 7, pick 65 and Collingwood's round one pick in the 2016 NAB AFL Draft. Jack Fitzpatrick traded from Melbourne to Hawthorn in exchange for pick 94.

Tomas Bugg and pick 7 traded from GWS to Melbourne in exchange for pick 10, 43 and 64.

Pick 55 and 58 traded from Hawthorn to GWS in exchange for pick 48.

James Aish traded from Brisbane to Collingwood in exchange for pick 26 and Collingwood's round two selection in the 2016 NAB AFL Draft.

Pick 34 and 53 traded from North Melbourne to Collingwood in exchange for pick 28 and pick 47.

Ryan Bastinac, pick 38, pick 40 and North Melbourne's round three selection in the 2016 NAB AFL Draft traded from North Melbourne to Brisbane in exchange for pick 17 and 26.

Pick 36 and 37 traded from West Coast to Sydney in exchange for pick 23. Pick 11 and the Western Bulldogs' round three selection in the 2016 NAB AFL Draft traded from the Western Bulldogs to Carlton in exchange for pick 20 and 21.

Chris Yarran traded from Carlton to Richmond in exchange for pick 19.

Pick 34, pick 53 and pick 63 traded from Collingwood to GWS in exchange for pick 27, pick 66, pick 77 and pick 84.

Michael Talia traded from the Western Bulldogs to Sydney in exchange for pick 69 the the Western Bulldogs' fourth round pick in the 2016 NAB AFL Draft.

Pick 56 and Fremantle's round two selection in the 206 NAB AFL Draft traded from Fremantle to Gold Coast in exchange for pick 35 and pick 61.

Thanks for your updates throughout the trading period Whispering.

Great effort.

Thanks for your updates throughout the trading period Whispering.

Great effort.

Couldn't agree more.

Is it possible to work out:

(a) The gains & losses for each club?

(b) Which picks have gone from the 2016 draft? :)

 

His playing career alone might have been enough to set him up as a media personality and he did a great job at the Dogs. Funny how he gets the blame for things going sour when it probably should've been on both parties.

Richmond and he went down together. They did start the same process of multiple picks under 20 they just took 4 guys who couldn't play. Just like Melbourne would later do to Bailey.

Pick 1 - Deledio

Pick 4 - Tambling

Pick 12 - Danny Meyer

Pick 16 - Adam Pattison

Pick 20 - Dean Polo

Their next draft was even worse.

Besides Deledio the rest were plonkers.

The thing that annoys me about Wallace is that he's gone for the list management pathway and working with croc media where the strength of his coaching was probably tactical analysis.

But he does have a pretty solid handle on the draft, players across the league, list management priorities and he's even worked out the academy stuff way ahead of most.

To be fair, Wallace probably spends more time watching kids come through now than he did when he was coaching. He did have recruiters to do that when he was at Richmond.


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