WELCOME TO THE MELBOURNE FOOTBALL CLUB - SAM WEIDEMAN

[The Song Formerly Known As 6,479]

i like the look of him.

Last draft, Petracca and Brayshaw were sureties. This one is [censored] doing my head in!

Edited November 18, 2015 by The Song Formerly Known As

[Brayshaw Self 847]

Clearly the beep test is very important as demonstrated by the record holders...

1 16.06 Billy Hartung 2013 2 16.02 Joshua Schoenfeld 2015 3 16.01 Caleb Daniel 2014 16.01 Jack Hiscox 2014 16.01 Brad Hill 2011 6 15.12 Will Hoskin-Elliott 2011 7 15.09 Nathan Drummond 2014 8 15.08 Tom Rischbieth 2005 15.08 Mark Berts 2000 10 15.07 Tom Sheridan 2011 15.07 Hayden Hector 2010

Clearly having top 20 draft picks is important, as demonstrated by Watts, Toumpas, Trengove, Scully, Morton, Gysberts, Tapscott, Strauss, Blease....

The beep test is the most important test at the combine.

Just because you can run, doesn't mean you can play footy but you sure as sh!t can't play footy if you can't run.

[Matt Demon 1,578]

I'm sure his beep test would be better had he not been injured the majority of the year. Clubs would have his testing from Previous years, would be interesting to see if those results were much different.

[Wiseblood 24,637]

The word around the traps was that clubs wanted to see Weideman run at least a 13 in the beep test to prove that, not only was he over his injury, but that he has the capacity to run out games.

To suggest that it doesn't matter for a stay at home forward is wrong in the modern game. How often do we get upset at our forward players when they don't chase? Every time the ball hits the deck we need repeat efforts, and what Weideman has shown today is that he is a long way from achieving that. I'm not saying he can't achieve it, but he has certainly put clubs off side today.

I can't see us taking him at 3 after today. Pick 7, if Essendon pass, is a possibility but I still think the club may look elsewhere.

[Magoo 40]

Beep, Beep…..!

[DemonLad5 1,642]

The word around the traps was that clubs wanted to see Weideman run at least a 13 in the beep test to prove that, not only was he over his injury, but that he has the capacity to run out games.

To suggest that it doesn't matter for a stay at home forward is wrong in the modern game. How often do we get upset at our forward players when they don't chase? Every time the ball hits the deck we need repeat efforts, and what Weideman has shown today is that he is a long way from achieving that. I'm not saying he can't achieve it, but he has certainly put clubs off side today.

I can't see us taking him at 3 after today. Pick 7, if Essendon pass, is a possibility but I still think the club may look elsewhere.

Source?

[Willmoy1947 4,218]

Why wouldn't there be a film available of today?

Surely you would be able to tell if he was fair dinkim or not

[Wiseblood 24,637]

Source?

Various people in the know. I can't confirm it, but there was enough word going around to suggest that's what clubs were looking for. It could be wrong, it could be right.

Either way he tested poorly. We can all confirm that.

[rpfc 28,964]

I don't give a [censored] about what their teenage bodies can do.

Edited November 18, 2015 by rpfc

[stuie 7,374]

Source?

"If Weideman can run close to level 13 in the beep test today clubs believe it would quell fears he has “red zone” endurance.

Weideman was in Eastern Ranges’ top-five runners as a 16-year-old before suffering an iron deficiency and ankle problems."

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-draft-2015-sam-weideman-to-undergo-aflsupervised-testing-essendon-eyeing-clayton-oliver-ryan-burton/news-story/17d4412f18dba0cdba3ce5baf7543afd

[DeeSpencer 26,478]

Interesting that Bailey Rice did even worse with a 12.2 beep.

I don't have a lot of faith that every beep test is created equal. If it's hot, if the distance isn't measure perfectly, if it's slippery then you might get a lesser result.

8.69 agility sounds pretty good for a big man coming off ankle surgery. That's a promising result to counter the average speed and poor beep.

[mo64 5,886]

I'm sure his beep test would be better had he not been injured the majority of the year. Clubs would have his testing from Previous years, would be interesting to see if those results were much different.

Hogan had elite endurance before he was drafted. He missed 12 months with a back injury, which would severely impact his fitness levels, and yet he maintained his elite endurance. Clubs clearly have an issue with Weideman's endurance levels long term.

[Demon Disciple 12,489]

Does anyone know how Schache went with his testing? Would be good to compare the 2, although Scache's kicking is well above Weidemans.

[Moneider96 1,045]

i like the look of him.

Last draft, Petracca and Bradshaw were sureties. This one is [censored] doing my head in!

same!

[rjay 25,345]

more interested in the medical, esp scan results

Exactly, they're the only results that count. Couldn't give a .....about this testing.

[Moneider96 1,045]

Weideman testing poorly probably reduces our chances of landing Curnow at pick 7.

[Gator 18,009]

I don't give a [censored] about what there teenage bodies can do.

It happens to the best of us.

[daisycutter 29,909]

It happens to the best of us.

yep, we must be ever vigilant

there are standards to be upheld

[Axis of Bob 11,912]

They are poor numbers.

If we're looking for a partner for Hogan, who runs his opponents into the ground all day, then I'd want to exploit that by matching him with someone who would do the same. Having a key forward that can't run makes us predictable up forward and easier to match up on.

I think I'm coming around to the idea of selecting Curnow based on type (since I haven't seen them play), because getting the right forward structure will be harder than adding talent to our pool of midfielders. If we take Curnow, that leaves Parish, Milera and Oliver on the board with 3 live picks until our pick 7. Unless Essendon picks 2 midfielders and Gold Coast one, then we'll have one of those guys .... although it will depend on how we rate them. I think there will be midfield options at 7.

Plus, I know Taylor rated Lewis Taylor, who is tiny, so the idea of getting a player like Gresham may not seem beyond the realms of possibility at 7.

[DemonLad5 1,642]

I am still fixed on Parish at 3

[RalphiusMaximus 6,110]

The numbers indicate one of three things to my mind:

1 - He's not over his issues yet

2 - He hasn't kept himself in shape while not playing

3 - He's faking it to lower his value and get to the Pies.

Quite frankly any of the above could well be the case, and none of them make him more attractive as a draftee. However, all but #3 we could deal with.

[Akum 2,660]

The numbers indicate one of three things to my mind:

1 - He's not over his issues yet

2 - He hasn't kept himself in shape while not playing

3 - He's faking it to lower his value and get to the Pies.

Quite frankly any of the above could well be the case, and none of them make him more attractive as a draftee. However, all but #3 we could deal with.

How about the possibility that he's faking it to lower his value and get (past the Bummers) to us??

Wasn't there a report that he was very happy when he found out that we'd traded up to pick 7?

JT: "We'll pick you at 7 no matter what your beep test is." Everybody else: "Not interested unless beep test better than 13"

Well, it's a possibility. If you were a KPF, wouldn't you want to get to the team that has Hogan?

[Wunders 397]

Clearly having top 20 draft picks is important, as demonstrated by Watts, Toumpas, Trengove, Scully, Morton, Gysberts, Tapscott, Strauss, Blease....

The beep test is the most important test at the combine.

Just because you can run, doesn't mean you can play footy but you sure as [censored] can't play footy if you can't run.

I personally don't believe it is, in fact i think its one of the least specific tests to AFL at the combine. When do AFL players continuously run without stopping? AFL is considered a High intensity, intermittent team sport (so high intensity tackle/sprint and then ball up/out of bounds where players jog/walk/stand stationary for a small period of time then repeat.. The beep test is a continuous endurance test (its using an orange to assess an apple). I'd much prefer to see his repeated sprint results (did he fatigue over consecutive sprints, or did he maintain his [average] speed throughout indicating that he doesn't fatigue but is slow [if hes slow and fatigues over sprints then he really is stuffed]?).

A more specific test would be the YoYo Intermittent recovery test (same up and back, but then there is a recovery walk interspersed between every up and back). The problem is we have years of beep test data to compare too, if we go to another test like the YoYo which is more specific to the intermittent nature of the game then we (coaches/sport scientists/fans would have no data to compare against.

No idea what we will do on draft day

[Good Times Grimes 2,396]

i like the look of him.

Last draft, Petracca and Brayshaw were sureties. This one is [censored] doing my head in!

I think you're memory is letting you down, Song. This time last year, we thought we were going to be getting McCartin & Brayshaw. Petracca was the consensus number 1 right up until the eve of the draft.

I do agree that all of the possible permutations are hard to keep track of, and I'm just looking forward to it all being over and knowing who we've got.

[Good Times Grimes 2,396]

The numbers indicate one of three things to my mind:

1 - He's not over his issues yet

2 - He hasn't kept himself in shape while not playing

3 - He's faking it to lower his value and get to the Pies.

Quite frankly any of the above could well be the case, and none of them make him more attractive as a draftee. However, all but #3 we could deal with.

Would this qualify as draft tampering? Or perhaps just "bringing the game into disrepute"?