Nearly everyone accepts he was rated a top 3 draft pick, let alone pick 4, so it's just one of those things.

I'd get rid of him now while he might have some value.

Keep turning the list over.

I think the kid can play - his problem is he is completely an outside player

If we do trade him I wouldn't be that upset, we need competitors and if he has value I'd say trade away

I would try get an upgrade on our second rounder. How we tried with Trengove last year. Turn pick 25 into pick 18 or something

Just not sure Toumpas has any real trade value.

they were pick 11 and 12 that's obviously not the same as the top 5 is it

pedantic contrarian

Cale Morton, many had him top 3, others not even top 10. TGR was loud before draft on how a team from out West wouldn't have touched him.

So high pick now is only a top 5...

Ed. are you related to Stuie?

Edited September 24, 201510 yr by Rod Grinter Riot Squad

Just not sure Toumpas has any real trade value.

think your right hsnt shown much to date

Keep him, lock him in the gym till Feb with self motivation audio playing non stop and then we'll have a player.

Keep him, lock him in the gym till Feb with self motivation audio playing non stop and then we'll have a player.

That ain't gonna do his inability to hit a target by hand or foot any favours...

Morton showed far, far more than Toumpas in his first three years.

We've dangled him as trade bait for two years in a row and got nothing cos he's worth nothing.

A bigger bust than Morton or Gysberts, and only just ahead of Cook and Molan.

Just not sure Toumpas has any real trade value.

I am not sure either, nor is anyone posting here, really.

Only time will tell.

Keep him, lock him in the gym till Feb with self motivation audio playing non stop and then we'll have a player.

Richard Simmons says hi.

Edited September 24, 201510 yr by Return to Glory

That ain't gonna do his inability to hit a target by hand or foot any favours...

Morton showed far, far more than Toumpas in his first three years.

We've dangled him as trade bait for two years in a row and got nothing cos he's worth nothing.

A bigger bust than Morton or Gysberts, and only just ahead of Cook and Molan.

How do you know this?

I wouldn't just get rid of this kid just to get a space on the list. There is plenty of those. I think they will have erred if they do a 'Morton' in this instance and just trade for a low value pick...

Those that suggest Toumoas has no or little trade value then must ask why ?

Those that say he is potential unrealised must accept another club might think this also.

The MFC is in all likelihood fielding any interest.

I would be too.

Those that suggest Toumoas has no or little trade value then must ask why ?

Those that say he is potential unrealised must accept another club might think this also.

The MFC is in all likelihood fielding any interest.

I would be too.

And other clubs are looking for value - I would prefer not to give it to them.

It a bit like Trash and Treasure

Cale Morton, many had him top 3, others not even top 10. TGR was loud before draft on how a team from out West wouldn't have touched him.

So high pick now is only a top 5...

Ed. are you related to Stuie?

Oh TGR said that did he, I'm sorry my mistake, that changes everything, you're right every player we picked was an outright gamble

don't talk to me

It a bit like Trash and Treasure

At this point it is yes...

After he dropped that sitter in Round 1 his value plummeted imo

Cards were marked "Fragile"

Straight swap for Andrew Moore? Both are actually fairly similar and may just need to head back to their state of origin.

Might get Moore and a late pick for him from Port or one of the SA clubs could on-trade something to Brisbane or Gold Coast in our bid to get Redden or Bennell?

If we were getting Moore for Toumpas, I'd be keeping Toumpas. The perfect outcome is packaging Toumpas with a pick or another player for Bennell or Prestia or someone like Hartlett.

Oh TGR said that did he, I'm sorry my mistake, that changes everything, you're right every player we picked was an outright gamble

don't talk to me

Never claimed every player was an outright gamble, just that your hyperbole is BS

If we were getting Moore for Toumpas, I'd be keeping Toumpas. The perfect outcome is packaging Toumpas with a pick or another player for Bennell or Prestia or someone like Hartlett.

Hartlett has just been resigned! He isn't going anywhere!

Keep him, lock him in the gym till Feb with self motivation audio playing non stop and then we'll have a player.

needs more than that needs a heart and brain transplant

Never claimed every player was an outright gamble, just that your hyperbole is BS

Every player you pick is a gamble it's a lottery, looking at hawthorns greatest team in the last 3 decades in the sun the other day made me want to spew there numbers come up

Constantly

Every player you pick is a gamble it's a lottery, looking at hawthorns greatest team in the last 3 decades in the sun the other day made me want to spew there numbers come up

Constantly

The Hawks stuffed up a lot of high picks in the 2000's though. It's their later picks that have helped them- Bruest, Smith, Puopolo, Suckling were all mid to late picks.

I think we are on the right track in that area- Stretch, VandenBerg, Harmes, O Mac, Nel-Bullen have all shown promise as late picks.

We just need to make sure we nail our first round picks from here on.

Can see a Morton like trade occurring. ToumpAs for pick 65

Curse of the "Pick 4"?

Should get us a second round pick, in that case, I would do it.