A player can/will never perform consistently on-field if his off-field life is a train-wreck.

There are a number of players who make that statement not true.

Ablett snr for a start, Ox was another, there are quite a few other not so squeaky cleans that I won't name..as much as the recruiters and clubs tell us about all these outstanding young men, citizens etc...many are outstanding players but far from outstanding citizens...

edit: Cousins, Kerr

Edited September 7, 20159 yr by rjay

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-09-07/suns-star-harley-bennells-future-in-doubt-after-disorderly-behaviour-charge-

Officially finished at Gold Coast

Get him MFC

Edited September 7, 20159 yr by hogans_heroes

If MFC isnt doing everything they can to get him down here id be very disappointed.

He is EXACTLY what we need on field. Viney in and under, passing to Bennell who dashes through the wing and laces out to the Hulk.

Yes please.

Off field can be taken care of.

Do what needs to be done.

You might get jousting sticks for a second rounder but you won't get Harley.

So we want a guy who can play but is a serious jail risk? I'd give them a third round pick for him. He comes with a hell of a lot of baggage.

Would prefer Yarran and would be cheaper!

Tell me you dont want that

Edited September 7, 20159 yr by Dee-licious

Soft source confirmed that we've done the considerations and are likely to make a play for him depending on other player movements.

Edit: Not even mad - he's a gun, I think we could control most of his [censored] given the behaviour and commitment of the rest of the playing group. Plus, crossy as a development coach wouldn't hurt :D

Edited September 7, 20159 yr by DTJ

Soft source confirmed that we've done the considerations and are likely to make a play for him depending on other player movements.

Edit: Not even mad - he's a gun, I think we could control most of his [censored] given the behaviour and commitment of the rest of the playing group. Plus, crossy as a development coach wouldn't hurt :D

Whats the suppose pick that could be involved?

Would prefer Yarran and would be cheaper!

Id prefer Mitch White and Salem off the half back line than lazy Yarran.

Also Yarran is not in the same stratosphere as Bennell.

Whats the suppose pick that could be involved?

No idea, not that inner sanctum type of source. Besides - MFC doesn't leak that sort of info any more.

I doubt he'd want to come to the MFC, but who knows.

That said, forget second or third round picks, the club the gets him will have to do a lot better than that. Notwithstanding the issues surrounding him (which I don't believe are hugely serious - just gut feel) he's an elite talent.

Those quick to dismiss him would be well advised to remember a young enigmatic player who had a string of discipline issues in his early days. Was very nearly traded but managed to stayed at the club. Went on to win 3 flags and a Norm Smith.

I'm not saying there is no risk, of course there is, but the reward could be huge for a player of that talent.

I doubt he'd want to come to the MFC, but who knows.

That said, forget second or third round picks, the club the gets him will have to do a lot better than that. Notwithstanding the issues surrounding him (which I don't believe are hugely serious - just gut feel) he's an elite talent.

May not have a choice.

I still think we're ahead of Essendon too.

Want, want, want.

I doubt he'd want to come to the MFC, but who knows.

That said, forget second or third round picks, the club the gets him will have to do a lot better than that. Notwithstanding the issues surrounding him (which I don't believe are hugely serious - just gut feel) he's an elite talent.

Here's the thing as far as I'm thinking.

Bennell's contracted for 2 more years.

He can't be traded to a club without his permission. Gold Coast can't send him to the PSD as he's not out of contract. If they out right sack him then surely he'd become a free agent I would've thought. If they don't agree to a trade then they'd have to either sack him or keep him which would be a huge embarrassment to them.

The point is the club (or clubs) that Bennell nominates to be traded to has a lot of leverage. Especially if he is steadfast in his desire to just get to one club. So whilst the easiest thing to do would be to pay fair value for him to complete the trade and satisfy Bennell and the Suns there isn't any need to get in a bidding war.

Our best chance for this to be a success would be to convince Harley that our team, facilities, playing group, leadership etc is the right group for him and then only satisfy Gold Coast with the minimum value that gets the deal done without fuss.

ox said on SEN that Todd Viney would be very good for ensuring he stays on the right path.

Lets be honet - this is probably as close to an a grader as we will get this trade period.

Exactly.

We've made it clear we want an a grade mid. Harley is not quite that, and he has spots on him.

But does he have all the capability of being a genuine star? Absolutely.

Get the deal done. Our first rounder and Howe for Bennell and their 2016 second rounder.

ox said on SEN that Todd Viney would be very good for ensuring he stays on the right path.

Does Ox know Todd is the list manager not captain now?

In all seriousness though Mark Williams has apparently been huge for keeping Dustin Martin in line. A type of father figure who knows that young guys will get up to trouble but tries to make sure it's not crossing the line.

If we were to get Harley I think we'd need someone to fill that father figure type role. His old man is in jail after all. Maybe that's unfair on him but I think it's true.

We'd then probably need players willing to keep track of him when he's out and about and make sure if he goes out for a good time that it's the responsible sort of good time. That's where Karmichael went wrong with Harley. Apparently he made sure he trained and prepared for games like a professional but then he partied like a semi-professional.

No thanks

We have been burnt with others, Jurrah clark . I told a geelong supporter that Clark was high risk and it proved to be unfortunately

Bennel has non footballer issues that we may not be fully aware of. The list is hard enough to carry injured players . we dont need a potential non starter.

Here's the thing as far as I'm thinking.

Bennell's contracted for 2 more years.

He can't be traded to a club without his permission. Gold Coast can't send him to the PSD as he's not out of contract. If they out right sack him then surely he'd become a free agent I would've thought. If they don't agree to a trade then they'd have to either sack him or keep him which would be a huge embarrassment to them.

The point is the club (or clubs) that Bennell nominates to be traded to has a lot of leverage. Especially if he is steadfast in his desire to just get to one club. So whilst the easiest thing to do would be to pay fair value for him to complete the trade and satisfy Bennell and the Suns there isn't any need to get in a bidding war.

Our best chance for this to be a success would be to convince Harley that our team, facilities, playing group, leadership etc is the right group for him and then only satisfy Gold Coast with the minimum value that gets the deal done without fuss.

Except then you make trading with the Gold Coast very difficult if you wanted to trade for anyone else.

Does Ox know Todd is the list manager not captain now?

In all seriousness though Mark Williams has apparently been huge for keeping Dustin Martin in line. A type of father figure who knows that young guys will get up to trouble but tries to make sure it's not crossing the line.

If we were to get Harley I think we'd need someone to fill that father figure type role. His old man is in jail after all. Maybe that's unfair on him but I think it's true.

We'd then probably need players willing to keep track of him when he's out and about and make sure if he goes out for a good time that it's the responsible sort of good time. That's where Karmichael went wrong with Harley. Apparently he made sure he trained and prepared for games like a professional but then he partied like a semi-professional.

umm, yes, that's what Ox meant: Todd Viney.

I dare say Todd plays a far larger (unofficial) role at the club than list manager.

Except then you make trading with the Gold Coast very difficult if you wanted to trade for anyone else.

I think that's really up to them. Offering up what is fair value factoring in the off field issues and there desire to be rid of him is the way to go. Talk of 1st round picks are unreasonable. The Hawks have always paid up for players they want but never have they paid overs out of desperation. Each deal and year is a new deal and you start again. Obviously if Howe wants to go to the Gold Coast that complicates things and I'm not suggesting we turn in to Essendon who thinks every one of their players is worth 3 first rounders. We just have to put the focus on getting Bennell to choose us not offering up a big deal for a trouble player. We've done that too often.

What world did you grow up in?

Some of the best people I've met in this world, I have seen do the same.

I've seen doctors, lawyers, architects... I've seen other high profile players that you probably wouldn't believe.

A few years back I happily partook.

It didn't and doesn't define who I am, or who I will be.

Much the same with Harley, although he is in desperate need of some better role models in his life.

Does explain more than a couple of your posts though.