On 24/08/2015 at 04:17, monoccular said:

And, follow up question, how do you propose doing that??

Get Garry on the job.

  On 24/08/2015 at 04:05, rpfc said:

Yes, I think he is more concerned that you hate an individual for your perception that he does not have enough chat.

I obviously have more reasons that that. You can tell that through the way I actually stated them. Like the average hack poster here you just change the content of the other person's post willy nilly and respond that instead. Shut up.

  On 24/08/2015 at 03:52, Bossdog said:

Maybe you would like to go back to the two young captains? SWYL

Besides sacking everyone, which you seem to want to do, What is your solution to our problem?

we have to import Leaders from outside

Proper Leaders

Not just anyone

Otherwise it is goodnight.

  On 24/08/2015 at 04:52, Sir Why You Little said:

we have to import Leaders from outside

Proper Leaders

Not just anyone

Otherwise it is goodnight.

You mean Lumumba and Dawes types?

  On 24/08/2015 at 04:55, jnrmac said:

You mean Lumumba and Dawes types?

Yes no more Collingwood cast offs

  On 24/08/2015 at 05:25, old dee said:

Yes no more Collingwood cast offs

Sadly we have to take what we can get. There isn't a queue of eligible players waiting to join the Dees......

  On 24/08/2015 at 04:33, Curry & Beer said:

I obviously have more reasons that that. You can tell that through the way I actually stated them. Like the average hack poster here you just change the content of the other person's post willy nilly and respond that instead. Shut up.

Well, you have already stated you hate me so there's that also...

I don't think any of your reasons is really enough to hate an individual for the way he plays or doesn't play footy, so you can state all the reasons you want, you will still look like a sheep standing on its hind legs...

  On 24/08/2015 at 05:42, jnrmac said:

Sadly we have to take what we can get. There isn't a queue of eligible players waiting to join the Dees......

Lumumba played every game in his last year & may have been in top 5 of B&f...

Hawks recruited Dew, Burgoyne others from other clubs but the environment & culture @ the Hawks turned them around...

All new players walking into our club are trying to help build that culture ... Big difference....

  On 24/08/2015 at 04:52, Sir Why You Little said:

Sir Why You Little, on 24 Aug 2015 - 2:52 PM, said:

we have to import Leaders from outside

Proper Leaders

Not just anyone

Otherwise it is goodnight.

Oh please.......We might not be good at the moment.......The club will be around long after you and I are pushing up daisies

Don't be a drama queen.

  On 24/08/2015 at 04:55, jnrmac said:

You mean Lumumba and Dawes types?

No. I said real

  On 24/08/2015 at 06:21, Bossdog said:

Oh please.......We might not be good at the moment.......The club will be around long after you and I are pushing up daisies

Don't be a drama queen.

Open your eyes Boss

Nobody is going to watch or sponsor efforts like yesterday. We have been putrid for a decade.

That is a full generation

Too many people think it will just fix itself...

If we have been so bad for a generation.....How come we are still here????

  On 24/08/2015 at 06:33, Bossdog said:

If we have been so bad for a generation.....How come we are still here????

Not sure. In the real world we sure wouldn't be.

18 clubs. Making up numbers. That is all it is at the moment

  On 24/08/2015 at 06:33, Bossdog said:

If we have been so bad for a generation.....How come we are still here????

Because money talks and the broadcasters need 18 teams.

The new rights deal ends in 2022 and you can bet that as we speak ,behind the scenes the AFL and Channel 7 power brokers will be working out if a new team in Tassie or somewhere else is feasible.

If we haven't sorted our [censored] out in the next couple of years, the club will die. We are a burden on the league and on advertisers. Its just a fact.

  On 24/08/2015 at 06:30, Sir Why You Little said:

Open your eyes Boss

Nobody is going to watch or sponsor efforts like yesterday. We have been putrid for a decade.

That is a full generation

Too many people think it will just fix itself...

How is 10 years a generation?

  On 24/08/2015 at 06:57, Kali said:

How is 10 years a generation?

always was in my book. New Gen every 10 years

We have actually been crap for 5 Gens with a few short lived abberations...

  On 24/08/2015 at 05:51, Hogan2014 said:

Lumumba played every game in his last year & may have been in top 5 of B&f...

Hawks recruited Dew, Burgoyne others from other clubs but the environment & culture @ the Hawks turned them around...

All new players walking into our club are trying to help build that culture ... Big difference....

Your comments re Dew and Burgoyne are spot on.

They already had a core of Lewis, Hodge, Mitchell, Franklin, Roughead...Dew was a one year top up who filled a need, and helped fluke them a flag. Burgoyne, like Lake and Frawley was also recruiting for need. They have done really well picking the eyes out of other clubs (add Gunston). Clarkson had been building that culture for four years before Dew got there.

The only coach at our place who comprehensively tried to reset culture that I know of was Neale D. He took the players into classrooms to get into their heads why you play this game.

Someone removed me why we got rid of Swooper... Seriously, why the hell did we?

  On 24/08/2015 at 06:57, Kali said:

How is 10 years a generation?

It is in football years. How many players last 10 years? Very low percentage I think you will find.

For those questioning Roos commitment need to watch him now on 360. You can tell he is really hurting inside. He just looks flat as i have ever seen him.

I trully believe now that he is trying everything in his power to try and rectify on whats going on on field.

Roosy's little rant was pretty condescending towards us supporters. To think that us going to work and getting a bit of light hearted ribbing about our team losing is the extent of it, lacks the understanding of the hurt a lot of supporters feel.

Everything he said was bang on.

What was said on 360 ? I saw one tiny snippet and heard him reference to "the past" again.. And almost threw the TV out the window

  On 23/08/2015 at 22:27, jnrmac said:

Agree 100% with the bolded part. But I am sick of waiting for it to turn as you are.

There are plenty here with blinkers on when it has been obvious for at least 4months that Roos doesn't know what to do with this mob.

Our best performance for the year was when the players coached themselves for a week. What does that say about the coaching? He's given them a week off after a belting, taken them to the movies. I mean FFS its not a complicated game. You bring effort and focus on running and winning contested ball for a start, then you hit targets.

There are probably 5 players on our list that can safely beat their man on any given day,

leadership is non existent.

Garland and Lumumba are frankly pathetic footballers that shouldn't be there.

McDonald is a goer but whne he has the ball in hand is a worry.

Dunn has lost his ability to win a one on one.

Midfield is appalling. Viney tries hard but makes way too many basic errors.

Vince got thrashed against a first year player. We are robbing peter to pay Paul

Jones is courageous but unable to drag his players with him.

Cross is done. Way too many mistakes.

Watts just infuriates me the way he plays 5-10m off his man. Morton used to the same thing. You can see the play unfold and lay money on his man geting the ball.

Gawn can't ruck by himself all day and is not flexible enough. Kruezer beat him handsomely.

Howe should just fark off now. Most overated player on our list (by outsiders not necessarily melbourne supporters)

Dawes has to go. Adds zero to the team.

Garlett plays when he wants to.

Brayshaw was looking pretty spent,. Needs a rest

Grimes Mitchie and newton are triers but not the answer.

And none of these useless hacks can play a team game. They don't look out for each other shepherd, don't spread, can't read the play. Hopeless.

The coach is clueless as to how to fix this. Good luck trying to atract a decent midfielder to our team this year paul.

But apart from these minor quibbles you're pretty upbeat Jnr Mac?

  On 24/08/2015 at 10:10, Forest Demon said:

Roosy's little rant was pretty condescending towards us supporters. To think that us going to work and getting a bit of light hearted ribbing about our team losing is the extent of it, lacks the understanding of the hurt a lot of supporters feel.

This opinion represents our playing group/club mentality I reckon. A little bit of harsh truth and we [censored] up

I have to agree with daveydazzler, I think we saw some passion from PR. get upset about an option but all he was saying is he is working hard at getting us better....

It may not have been the best description but it had some passion and that's what I liked