A lot of our players just have really bad habits and they seem to resort back to them when under pressure. On the commentary tonight, Lynch was IN the Melbourne coaching box. He stated a few times that Roos was happy with this, unhappy with that and so on. A couple of times he mentioned that Roos was unhappy about not kicking to an option going into forward 50 and that the uncontested intercept marks were killing us. This was apparently a major focus at quarter time as well. He asked them to stop booting it in as high and far as they can and to lower their eyes and aim for a target. Then, like clockwork, they went out and kept bombing it in the forward 50.

WTF?

With Jones being the main offender.

The reasoning that it'll be the recruits of 2008 and later is probably right - these are the players that have show quite a bit early in their careers, in contrast many drafted before. They just seem to have that pizzaz, are for the most part strong bodied, skilled and have the hunger.

However, how much bloody longer can people wait while these players mature to the point that they can win us games? How many more years of young kids will lose faith in the Dees and follow other sides, much to the disappointment of their parents? How much more money will the club lose through supporters dropping off and refusing to spend their hard earned money on the club?

I know this is really a pointless attitude because all we can do is wait for these players to mature and improve the team, but bloody hell... I'm so sick of this clubs mistakes.

They were able to put on such effective pressure because they knew we would just go boundary every time and would be too scared to use the middle. Everyone knows where our kicks are going every time. Pressure isn't just random like "put on more pressure", you have to know where and how, and we are extremely predictable in that manner. Doesn't anyone ever wonder why we are constantly kicking to outnumbered contests?

I think we have a new contender for old iron hands out there. Max Gawn. Couldn't mark a beach ball. We're predictable down the line to Gawn, but we get away with it if he could take a contested mark. He's 208cm FCS. It's about time he starts playing like it.

After the break we have West Coast (certain loss) then a stretch which includes Essendon, St.Kilda, Carlton and Brisbane all at the MCG. Barring a catastrophe we should be fielding stronger sides by then. We also have Collingwood again and the Bulldogs and Giants at Etihad. I expect us to get more than 4 wins by year's end.

Carlton, Brisbane and maybe St Kilda again are the only games we have a good chance in. Perhaps the Bulldogs. I only see 2-3 more wins this year, max.

You're dreaming if you are pumping up Collingwood and the Giants at Etihad as serious potential wins.

With Jones being the main offender.

He sure was.

And Riley.

I thought Roos looked seriously pizzed at his presser - mind you the atmosphere wasn't helped by incredibly dumb questions from the journos

Yeah he was pi$$ed but he didn't have a go at anyone.. Would have liked them to push him more on why we didn't get numbers back

I think we have a new contender for old iron hands out there. Max Gawn. Couldn't mark a beach ball. We're predictable down the line to Gawn, but we get away with it if he could take a contested mark. He's 208cm FCS. It's about time he starts playing like it.

He positions well, makes a contest and gets hands on them too, just can't hold onto them. Frustrating.

Carlton, Brisbane and maybe St Kilda again are the only games we have a good chance in. Perhaps the Bulldogs. I only see 2-3 more wins this year, max.

You're dreaming if you are pumping up Collingwood and the Giants at Etihad as serious potential wins.

The first bundle are the serious potential wins, the second are the maybes. We didn't too badly against Collingwood a few days ago and I can't see Cloke kicking 7.0 again (then again he probably will!).

I think we have a new contender for old iron hands out there. Max Gawn. Couldn't mark a beach ball. We're predictable down the line to Gawn, but we get away with it if he could take a contested mark. He's 208cm FCS. It's about time he starts playing like it.

I said it after the Collingwood game but everyone jumped on me cos he had a good game, but he makes himself small in ruck contests and marking contests. He bends his knees too much and tries to come up rather than stand tall. I'm not sure if that's from lack of confidence in his knees, but he needs to literally stand up.

I think we have a new contender for old iron hands out there. Max Gawn. Couldn't mark a beach ball. We're predictable down the line to Gawn, but we get away with it if he could take a contested mark. He's 208cm FCS. It's about time he starts playing like it.

I'm backing Max.

He can clunk 'em.

His kicking scares me to death though.

Melbourne pulled a reverse Bradbury.

Dare I say it yet again! Leadership onfield is the worst in the AFL...PERIOD

And VFL

That loss was hard to take....never seen my son so upset over footy.

When are ever going to have some bloody joy?

The first bundle are the serious potential wins, the second are the maybes. We didn't too badly against Collingwood a few days ago and I can't see Cloke kicking 7.0 again (then again he probably will!).

Essendon is missing from the 'serious potential' wins.

Yeah he was pi$$ed but he didn't have a go at anyone.. Would have liked them to push him more on why we didn't get numbers back

Seriously any junior footballer should know to get numbers back in that situation. I doubt there would have been time to issue specific instructions from the bench. Another collective brain fade for which we are well known.

29 less tackles we were not hard enough at the contests, the hard stuff was left to too few.

The first bundle are the serious potential wins, the second are the maybes. We didn't too badly against Collingwood a few days ago and I can't see Cloke kicking 7.0 again (then again he probably will!).

True re Collingwood, I just think they consistently have more class than us and they are a bit too far ahead of us (ie, we didn't really look like winning on QB although we did ok).

I'm not even confident about the annual Essendon smashing this year.

While most may say that Roos isn't at fault, if his players aren't listening to him and/or they don't know how to setup when the game's on the line then his coaching has to be at least questioned. It's his job to make sure this doesn't happen.

Didn't watch it, knew we'd lose.

Been a member for 20 odd years, constantly brainwashing my kids in an attempt to instill into them to become members forever. This is the final straw, I'm done. Sick of this constant crap we dish up.....Got better things to do in life to do than be constantly disappointed with this.

So for the last time, Wormburner signing out.

GO NOW. DO NOT COME BACK, EVER.

29 less tackles we were not hard enough at the contests, the hard stuff was left to too few.

We had 108 more disposals, I'm not that worried about having had 29 fewer tackles.

In fact, as a proportion of disposals, our 70 tackles to their 307 disposals is a higher ratio than their 99 tackles to our 415 disposals.

The game wasn't lost because we weren't hard enough. It was lost because we, again, made too many errors, and again, had no leadership when needed.

While most may say that Roos isn't at fault, if his players aren't listening to him and/or they don't know how to setup when the game's on the line then his coaching has to be at least questioned. It's his job to make sure this doesn't happen.

While I do think Roos coaching ability is overrated.

It's hard to fly like an eagle when you're surrounded by turkeys.

As someone said earlier, instead of running around dry humping each other.

They should've been heading to the backline.

I don't mind us holding possession or handballing but I think at too many stages we had about 4-5 players sandwiched together when they should've been spacing out. Then of course in the final quarter no one was running in the corridor. It was a miracle we got two marks inside 50 in the dying minutes by the way our players were moving TBH

A couple of positives, because I'm happy to pot blokes, so it's only fair it goes the other way:

Toumpas - ran out of legs but gee he finally showed he could be a player. Hope it does his confidence a world of good.

Jack Watts - still tries to take it on too much but at times in the first half his ball use was a class above most on the field.

Brayshaw - we all know he's a player but in the last month I'd love to know how many scoring chains he's been involved in. When he has it we look good.

Future -Viney, Hogan, Brayshaw, Petracca, Toumpas, Tyson, Salem, JKH, TMac, Pick 3 2015

There's 10 years there if we can keep them fit and teach them how hard they'll need to work.

Too much focus on the last 40secs though poor defending we should turn our attention to all the [censored] turnovers which occurred prior to the last 40secs which continue to result in goals & gift the opposition games on the plate!