Whether we won or lost it makes no difference. A kick here or there represents no discernible differential.

The Saints are rebuilding after a few grand finals and they're as good as us who have been rebuilding for a decade. That's what's gutting. Roos has been great for the club, buy I actually wish this was his last year. He's too negative about our past and this has to have some rub off on the players. He's always talking about where we've been. And I'm sick of it.

They are still heavily reliant on Riewoldt, when he bows out they will be in strife. I suppose McCartin is there waiting, but he ain't no Hogan.

Riewoldt could be 80 years old and in a wheelchair and still take us to the cleaners in a game. Great player, a freak, who always destroys us.

That tap from Gawn was the loser.

It was tapped behind him almost like the saints called to him.

Fro that time all over Red Rover.

FML. Just comes down to silly mistakes and the collection of little moments in the game doesn't it.

We played pretty well overall I thought, better than the usual tripe.

I want more meaningful impact out of Tyson, he just cruises through games.

Had anyone noticed Hogan can't kick 50 metres?

It's almost getting to that stage of the year where it becomes pointless winning games and you just want to see effort and a close-ish contest.

Was Pedersen injured? Our forward line had no structure in the last quarter.

Yep, looks like possible broken hand.

Worse loss of the season! Easily!! Catastrophic stuff!

Jones is a dumb footballer.

There ... I said it.

Can't believe comments like this. I am as angry and gutted as anyone but Jones is far from being a dumb footballer.

If anything he has to do too much - he still needs more midfield support.

Ng enough blow torch n the box for mine

Sure cattle average, aptitude suspect....but given that the application of said assets was.....deplorable

It's not just about the players....just saying !!!

There were some serious positives, the issue is the seriousness of the errors

Dumb football all round for most of the game.

Players just look to handpass as the first option too often, no one shepherds, our forwards come too far up the ground so there is no one to kick it to. If we won I'd be happier but it would simply be covering up a lot of mistakes that happened throughout the whole game.

Can't believe comments like this. I am as angry and gutted as anyone but Jones is far from being a dumb footballer.

If anything he has to do too much - he still needs more midfield support.

Damn right he's dumb.

Plan A - Get ball and bomb it into forward line.

Plan B - Get ball and bomb it into forward line.

When pressure comes on .... Go missing.

And don't get me started on McDonald.

christian petracca ‏@cpetracca7 1m1 minute ago Melbourne, Victoria

Disappointing, but I'm sure we will bounce back, learn from your mistakes, the old saying. Through thick and thin

Another thing - surely the coaches knew how long was left why didn't a couple fwds go back?

Finals by next year?!

What a joke, MFC is a joke!!

There were some serious positives, the issue is the seriousness of the errors

The increase in errors across the last two weeks is particularly worrying.

St Kilda have drafted very well.

Those nuggety, strong, skilled MIDFIELDERS will hold them in good stead.

Over 100 more hand balls and most of them just dumb an foolish under pressure. This club continues to make the same mistakes stuff around with the ball and turnover kings under every coach that comes to the club.

I make a promise to this club. Never ever go to watch them play again at Etihad , and stop going to watch them play Hawthorn.

And also include Geelong on that list.

Hmmm...maybe I need to revise all games against almost every club.....

I will put money on Carlton thrashing us as well.

Another bottom 4 finish how exciting for all of us yet again!!! Thanks MFC you know better than any club how to kill off supporters by June every season.

Like I have said before on this same board... The class of 2008 onwards will not be the one's to take this club forward.
Looking at Hogan and Brayshaw, you can just tell that they have the spunk that makes a great player.
Most of our blokes from the Bailey and Neeld eras look as though they feel as though they need to apologize for getting on the pitch in the first place.
I won't accept this stuff about Roos. I lived through 2011 and saw the criticism leveled at Bailey who in reality was in his second year of real coaching (the first two years of his tenure had him following CS's and CC's mandates). We sacked him after 186 and then fell into the bottomless pit that we have yet to climb out of. Now after 1 and a half seasons in charge, apparently this is PR's fault.

To even consider that Roos caused this problem or is even contributing to it cheeses me off no end.

... I will be honestly shocked if Hogan remains a dee in a couple years time.

Hogan is a winner, who wants and expects to be the difference.

He won't shirk what he sees as a responsibility.

Finals by next year?!

What a joke, MFC is a joke!!

Yeah I was there when Peter Jackson called that aspiration !! This club continues to screw its supporters

St Kilda have drafted very well.

Those nuggety, strong, skilled MIDFIELDERS will hold them in good stead.

St Kilda are in trouble. We smashed them in all the key stats today. They were pretty well drilled and we made far too many clangers. Almost 50, by the way. I'm not up with the records, but can anyone tell me if that's some kind of record? We halve our clangers and we win. As simple as that.

Like I have said before on this same board... The class of 2008 onwards will not be the one's to take this club forward.

Looking at Hogan and Brayshaw, you can just tell that they have the spunk that makes a great player.

Most of our blokes from the Bailey and Neeld eras look as though they feel as though they need to apologize for getting on the pitch in the first place.

I won't accept this stuff about Roos. I lived through 2011 and saw the criticism leveled at Bailey who in reality was in his second year of real coaching (the first two years of his tenure had him following CS's and CC's mandates). We sacked him after 186 and then fell into the bottomless pit that we have yet to climb out of. Now after 1 and a half seasons in charge, apparently this is PR's fault.

To even consider that Roos caused this problem or is even contributing to it cheeses me off no end.

Great post

The increase in errors across the last two weeks is particularly worrying.

Youd think the $1.5 milllon per year supercoach would have drilled decent skills into the side by now and cut dumb mistakes out of our game

That tap from Gawn was the loser.

It was tapped behind him almost like the saints called to him.

Fro that time all over Red Rover.

wasnt clever in context of time and such eh. Don't blame him for the game though....they sat higher !!!!

Yeah we lost but no need for overreacting. As long as our young core of players; brayshaw, viney, salem, hogan, Tmac, Tyson, kent, jkh, stretch, ANB, toumpas, petracca etc stick together the pain we have faced over the last 10 years may just be worth it.

Anyway can still see us winning 6-8 games this year, surely thats acceptable for a team who 2 years ago were playing some of the worst football ever played by an AFL club.

Did anyone else watching on TV see Roos screaming into te phone for the players to get back? Don't think he was impressed, and that was well before the centre bounce even happened.

On field leaders were deplorable at that point.