Post Match Discussion - Round 8

[Bobby McKenzie 2,408]

Who played on Tory Dickson? Last week he kicked 7 goals against the Dockers and this week just 9 disposals. He netted o goals 1 behind.

[The Reverend 1,736]

WOW!

I've never seen replays of him and I'm too young to have seen him play.

That reel is ridiculous. I know the game was rougher back then but that stuff is outright wrong. He hunted players and took them out, sometimes behind play.

Absolutely dirty as hell. You're right, I can't see him being allowed to play today.

I had a personal experience at a Hawthorn training session in the late sixties. I was invited to train and was paired up against the thug. He hit me every time I went near the ball. He got invited back, I didn't.

[John Crow Batty 8,891]

WOW!

I've never seen replays of him and I'm too young to have seen him play.

That reel is ridiculous. I know the game was rougher back then but that stuff is outright wrong. He hunted players and took them out, sometimes behind play.

Absolutely dirty as hell. You're right, I can't see him being allowed to play today.

Even side had someone or two like him. He was bad but there were many others including a few that played for us. That was the game then. Most of these guys were playing to instructions. If sides could get away with that kind of violence today they would. Ron Andrews of Essendon was a shade worse than Mathews.

[Akum 2,660]

Something else that just occurred to me.

It was great to see forwards within range taking the responsibility for the shot on goal, even if it was difficult, rather than give it off or try a hell-or-glory short pass.

Garlett's banana, Howe a couple of times on the boundary, Hogan from outside 50, even Toump's second goal that just made it (by the way, is it now OK to use the goal umpire as a stepladder if you're trying to touch the ball?) Obviously not all of those were goals. Could it now be a team rule that if you're in range and you think you're a chance, you back yourself & take the responsibility? Perhaps another reason that Ro Bail took the shot himself rather than tried to give it off just before 3/4 time.

Saty, could you ask a forward about this when you're next at training? I'd like to know whether it's a deliberate change, or just what happened on the day.

[Akum 2,660]

Who played on Tory Dickson? Last week he kicked 7 goals against the Dockers and this week just 9 disposals. He netted o goals 1 behind.

Lumumba?

[monoccular 17,756]

Team balance, I reckon the games we have won the match committee have the balance right. Go back to changes for the Freo game, few on here were worried about Dunn on the tall forwards, he was getting towelled, some suggested bringing in Fitzy for that balance, it enables Dunn to take the third tall, makes sense.

The forward line, it just hasn't worked with the three talls, Dawes has been ordinary, we revert back to two talls with Howe, all of the sudden we score. Playing two defensive forwards worked, unfortunately the two we played are limited but it worked. The two most questioned players on the wings, both gave us skill and run.

The back six looked good again Garland was our fourth defender, this is the best role for him, add in Cross and Grimes the balance was good.

Great summation of what went right in Sunday. It all fitted in....reminded me of round 1. A TEAM effort.

I do think we won the inside 50 count and apart from the first 10 minutes of the game we were consistently winning the count.

That said, it was beside the point and Hogan, deservedly so, was in the team of the week.

His handpass was exceptional, but his workrate is the thing that impresses me the most, for someone of his height and weight he can cover ground exceptionally.

Inside 50s. M 53. WB 51

Inside 50 efficiency. M 53%. WB 37%

Mark's inside 50. M 17. WB 9

Shooting accuracy. M 54%. WB 47%

Overall disposal efficiency. M 73%. WB 68%

Clangers. M 41. WB 51

And yes, that handball showed amazing vision and skill: glad that [Pedersen] finished it off so well.

[jazza 1,323]

Was pondering where we would be with Chipper,Rivers and Mitch in this team?

[dazzledavey36 56,266]

Was pondering where we would be with Chipper,Rivers and Mitch in this team?

And Stefan Martin who is probably the better out of the lot.

[low flying Robbo 979]

Something else that just occurred to me.

It was great to see forwards within range taking the responsibility for the shot on goal, even if it was difficult, rather than give it off or try a hell-or-glory short pass.

Garlett's banana, Howe a couple of times on the boundary, Hogan from outside 50, even Toump's second goal that just made it (by the way, is it now OK to use the goal umpire as a stepladder if you're trying to touch the ball?) Obviously not all of those were goals. Could it now be a team rule that if you're in range and you think you're a chance, you back yourself & take the responsibility? Perhaps another reason that Ro Bail took the shot himself rather than tried to give it off just before 3/4 time.

Saty, could you ask a forward about this when you're next at training? I'd like to know whether it's a deliberate change, or just what happened on the day.

Props to the goal umpire for hardly budging when a big bloke has just launched over the top of him. I recall footage of an umpire going down like an Italian soccer player when he was brushed....

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

And Stefan Martin who is probably the better out of the lot.

you can't just pick and choose

where would we be without

Cross, Dawes, Frost, Garlett, Lumumba, Michie, Vince, Newton, Pederson and Tyson

[dazzledavey36 56,266]

you can't just pick and choose

where would we be without

Cross, Dawes, Frost, Garlett, Lumumba, Michie, Vince, Newton, Pederson and Tyson

Well obviously.

But out of all the 3 though id take Martin back.

[Gator 18,053]

Matthews is the best player I've seen along with Carey. Was he a thug ? Sure, but he'd be the first player I picked.

His comments on Hogan are pure ignorance and guesswork. Hogan is excellent on the ground and a very good decision maker and handballer. His field kicking is also very good.

Matthews was guessing because he sees Hogan as the prototype hard running power forward who excels as a pack splitter. He can do that too and in time Matthews will recognise the other strings to his bow.

[The Song Formerly Known As 6,479]

Just watched the reply. VANDENBERG was IMMENSE!!!!

Did so well with the ball, but what he did off the ball: pressure, tackling, harassing, blocking etc. was HUMONGOUS too.

What a pick up.

http://www.afl.com.au/video/smart-replay

[John Crow Batty 8,891]

Just watched the reply. VANDENBERG was IMMENSE!!!!

Did so well with the ball, but what he did off the ball: pressure, tackling, harassing, blocking etc. was HUMONGOUS too.

What pick up.

http://www.afl.com.au/video/smart-replay

All the talk about Hogan getting no rising star. This guy is slipping under the radar.

[At Least I Saw a Flag 5,351]

Matthews a thug? Really? Peter Giles, Steven Smith, Neville Bruns and countless others say hi!!

[The Song Formerly Known As 6,479]

All the talk about Hogan getting no rising star. This guy is slipping under the radar.

Vanders is too old. must be 21 and under.

[M C 221]

What's up with Lumumba? Has been putrid the last two weeks

[monoccular 17,756]

WOW!

I've never seen replays of him and I'm too young to have seen him play.

That reel is ridiculous. I know the game was rougher back then but that stuff is outright wrong. He hunted players and took them out, sometimes behind play.

Absolutely dirty as hell. You're right, I can't see him being allowed to play today.

He (and Ted Whitten) would play maybe one or two games a year these days with MRP (yes, even with their inconsistencies) and the importance placed on protection of the head. . An absolute thug.

[John Crow Batty 8,891]

Matthews a thug? Really? Peter Giles, Steven Smith, Neville Bruns and countless others say hi!!

Neville Bruns was a thug too.

[chook fowler 19,763]

What about Neil McMullin, a paediatric surgeon now, who had his jaw broken by Matthews in his second game as a 20 year old.

It was the most brazen piece of thuggery I have seen on the footy field and in my opinion disqualifies Matthews as a great of the game.

Can't stomach the man.

[Wiseblood 24,637]

What's up with Lumumba? Has been putrid the last two weeks

Are you another who just looks at stats? Roos stated what should be the obvious in his presser - that he was very happy with him, and that his defensive efforts and spoils were important for the team on the day. Stats only tell a small portion of the story.

[Moneider96 1,045]

Wrong...

Wow! Nearly 25,000 posts! No doubt most of them insightful contributions like this.... don't you ever get sick of yourself. Even a tiny bit?

You alright there mate?

[Cards13 9,117]

Matthews is losing his grip on reality!

Yesterdays man. They should just pension him off. What relevence does he have any more? Part of the boys club I suppose. He is downright embarrassing. And while I am at it Brian Taylor should learn to call footy. Dont know what he is doing but he sure isn't watching and calling the game, BS over substance

Matthews out, Malthouse in.

[DeeSpencer 26,667]

Are you another who just looks at stats? Roos stated what should be the obvious in his presser - that he was very happy with him, and that his defensive efforts and spoils were important for the team on the day. Stats only tell a small portion of the story.

Paul Roos only tells a small portion as well.

Lumumba can't get near it in the midfield. Isn't using the ball well and wasn't great (but not terrible) at half back. We need all the run we can get at half back/wing so he's not going anywhere but he needs to find some form again.

[DeeSpencer 26,667]

Something else that just occurred to me.

It was great to see forwards within range taking the responsibility for the shot on goal, even if it was difficult, rather than give it off or try a hell-or-glory short pass.

Garlett's banana, Howe a couple of times on the boundary, Hogan from outside 50, even Toump's second goal that just made it (by the way, is it now OK to use the goal umpire as a stepladder if you're trying to touch the ball?) Obviously not all of those were goals. Could it now be a team rule that if you're in range and you think you're a chance, you back yourself & take the responsibility? Perhaps another reason that Ro Bail took the shot himself rather than tried to give it off just before 3/4 time.

Saty, could you ask a forward about this when you're next at training? I'd like to know whether it's a deliberate change, or just what happened on the day.

Terrible positioning by the goal umpire. He should've picked which post it was going closer to (in the end went pretty much through the middle) and then got alongside it so he could see the goal line and was out of the players way. I actually hope Roughead is ok because you don't want to see a player injured because an umpire stuffed up.

That said I'm sure the ump was doing his best and I'm not suggesting hanging him for 1 mistake but it was definitely a mistake.