One of the more disturbing things on forums like these is posters reeling off American draft terms like bust because they've heard it on ESPN.

A bust is a draft pick that basically contributes nothing of consequence to their team or the competion and then disappears.

Dawes may not be a particularly good player but he is not a bust.

Mate he is a flop. Thats the reality.

Cut ties at the end of the year.

We're paying him at least 500k a year at 4 years in exchange for pick 20 back in 2012.

Sorry but for that investment he''s been a but.

How much would Tory Dickson be on this year? He kicked 7 goals today. Dawes will be lucky to kick 7 goals by the end of June.

Theres no doubt he's overpaid relative to performance and it's likely there will be proven to have been better uses of Pick 20, even though, as it was a compromised draft, I don't think a player picked at or below that has done anything particularly noteworthy or played more games. My point was more specifically that bust is an extremely perjorative terminology used for draft picks and I dont think applicable to Dawes, who, though mediocre, has made some decent contributions and hasn't really been able to play in the role he was brought in for - supporting Clark and Hogan.

Mate he is a flop. Thats the reality.

Cut ties at the end of the year.

I agree hes been disappointing and I would try trade him in all likelihood, my point was more that if the American term bust be used that it be saved for genuine draft busts, Lucas Cook, for example who dont do anything at all.

I never understood why we got him in the first place.

Even when he was at C'wood it was clear he was not a good mark. (And he's gotten worse.)

He was going to be a big lump who takes the oppo's best or second best defender, makes a contest and brings the ball to ground.

Pedo can do that. Even Ben Holland used to be able to do that.

Why pay such big bikkies for such a player? We could have had three for the price.

I stopped posting to Demonland a year ago after being repeatedly ridiculed for saying Dawes wasn't up to it. Only Dazzledavey was there supporting the idea. Couldn't believe our luck when both Hogan and Watts missed this week and it would finally become clear as day why even Pedo would be superior in that role.

I personally think Dawes is probably one of the nicest guys at the club and would be a great influence around the playing group. That makes him a coaches dream and unfortunately Roos has continued to play him overlooking poor performance.

But if you want to score over 50 pointz a game we need everyone in the Fwd line to be fluent in their skills. Dawes can't mark.

Time to give Watts a trial by fire at CHF.

Watts is a facilitator who can kick goals himself and assist. Time for him to become a man and own the role. He was close to BOG v GC in Round one. Watts cannot shine with Dawes demanding the ball and wasting it. It's time Jack. (Or Pedo, just not Dawes!)

I stopped posting to Demonland a year ago after being repeatedly ridiculed for saying Dawes wasn't up to it. Only Dazzledavey was there supporting the idea. Couldn't believe our luck when both Hogan and Watts missed this week and it would finally become clear as day why even Pedo would be superior in that role.

I personally think Dawes is probably one of the nicest guys at the club and would be a great influence around the playing group. That makes him a coaches dream and unfortunately Roos has continued to play him overlooking poor performance.

But if you want to score over 50 pointz a game we need everyone in the Fwd line to be fluent in their skills. Dawes can't mark.

Time to give Watts a trial by fire at CHF.

Watts is a facilitator who can kick goals himself and assist. Time for him to become a man and own the role. He was close to BOG v GC in Round one. Watts cannot shine with Dawes demanding the ball and wasting it. It's time Jack. (Or Pedo, just not Dawes!)

Hit the nail there, exactly what I've proposed too. Watts has been very underutilised in that role for years. The GC game was proof that he's capable.

I never understood why we got him in the first place.

Even when he was at C'wood it was clear he was not a good mark. (And he's gotten worse.)

He was going to be a big lump who takes the oppo's best or second best defender, makes a contest and brings the ball to ground.

Pedo can do that. Even Ben Holland used to be able to do that.

Why pay such big bikkies for such a player? We could have had three for the price.

Totally agree with this. Holland, Miller and even Sellar were three fairly unskilled footballers but who knew how to put themselves in the right positions and create opportunities for their teammates.

Dawes is rarely in the right position and, on the rare occasion he is, lets himself be moved out of the contest with the slightest contact.

He thinks he has done his job if he gets a few cheap possessions on the wing, or runs around like a headless chicken chasing opponents.

Sorry Chris, but less than a goal game is not good enough, and you would be at Casey if Roos had any balls.

I never understood why we got him in the first place.

Even when he was at C'wood it was clear he was not a good mark. (And he's gotten worse.)

He was going to be a big lump who takes the oppo's best or second best defender, makes a contest and brings the ball to ground.

Pedo can do that. Even Ben Holland used to be able to do that.

Why pay such big bikkies for such a player? We could have had three for the price.

Really? Did you try really hard to think why we would want a big bodied premiership player when we had Grimes and Trengive as Captains. And once you have answered that question please list the other premiership players that were queuing to com eto melbourne during that period.

There's a good boy now...

Can we take him off the Demonland banner? Every time I see it I want to punch his head in.

Can we take him off the Demonland banner? Every time I see it I want to punch his head in.

Get a grip mate.

Really? Did you try really hard to think why we would want a big bodied premiership player when we had Grimes and Trengive as Captains. And once you have answered that question please list the other premiership players that were queuing to com eto melbourne during that period.

There's a good boy now...

Mitch Morton...?

can't catch.

Couldn't mark a beach ball if he was on the beach by himself, unfortunately. Is it his shoulders?

I really like Dawes. He works hard, is physical and he's not a horrible kick. His marking makes him quite deficient though.

I stopped posting to Demonland a year ago after being repeatedly ridiculed for saying Dawes wasn't up to it. Only Dazzledavey was there supporting the idea. Couldn't believe our luck when both Hogan and Watts missed this week and it would finally become clear as day why even Pedo would be superior in that role.

I personally think Dawes is probably one of the nicest guys at the club and would be a great influence around the playing group. That makes him a coaches dream and unfortunately Roos has continued to play him overlooking poor performance.

But if you want to score over 50 pointz a game we need everyone in the Fwd line to be fluent in their skills. Dawes can't mark.

Time to give Watts a trial by fire at CHF.

Watts is a facilitator who can kick goals himself and assist. Time for him to become a man and own the role. He was close to BOG v GC in Round one. Watts cannot shine with Dawes demanding the ball and wasting it. It's time Jack. (Or Pedo, just not Dawes!)

Watts isn't a strong mark either. Not sure that's such a great idea. Watts should be playing on a wing, IMO.

Chris flaps his hands at the ball whenever it comes nearby.

Looks like his trying to high 10 it every time.

Lets face it.

He couldn't catch HIV in an African Brothel.

Lets face it.

He couldn't catch HIV in an African Brothel.

Holiday time for you, naughty boy!

Lets face it.

He couldn't catch HIV in an African Brothel.

You are being unfair Biff. In my experience, such a result is just as likely in an Asian Brothel. Daisycutter's input could be definitive in this instance.

Also, SWYL has frequent trips to the Philippines and of course OD goes to Bangkok for "dental work" . Plenty of input to come

Really? Did you try really hard to think why we would want a big bodied premiership player when we had Grimes and Trengive as Captains. And once you have answered that question please list the other premiership players that were queuing to com eto melbourne during that period.

There's a good boy now...

One more time for those a little slow on the uptake.

He's a key position forward who can't mark the ball.

Something of a handicap when your job is to kick goals and you can't get your mitts on the pill.

You are being unfair Biff. In my experience, such a result is just as likely in an Asian Brothel. Daisycutter's input could be definitive in this instance.

Also, SWYL has frequent trips to the Philippines and of course OD goes to Bangkok for "dental work" . Plenty of input to come

I will see you in court

One more time for those a little slow on the uptake.

He's a key position forward who can't mark the ball.

Something of a handicap when your job is to kick goals and you can't get your mitts on the pill.

Very hard to disagree with that summation TF

Get a grip mate.

Take a chill, just having a laugh, gee some of you supporters need to unwind

I will see you in court

Do they have a court in Bangkok?

You are being unfair Biff. In my experience, such a result is just as likely in an Asian Brothel. Daisycutter's input could be definitive in this instance.

Also, SWYL has frequent trips to the Philippines and of course OD goes to Bangkok for "dental work" . Plenty of input to come

Philippines has a very low rate of HIV. Less than .01%, and as far as other diseases go, the "hosts" or "dancers" in the bars, are vet checked weekly.

Anything else you want to know???

You are being unfair Biff. In my experience, such a result is just as likely in an Asian Brothel. Daisycutter's input could be definitive in this instance.

Also, SWYL has frequent trips to the Philippines and of course OD goes to Bangkok for "dental work" . Plenty of input to come

biggest risk in burwood, bbo, is asian affluenza, it's become endemic

Do they have a court in Bangkok?

tennis court, biffo

One more time for those a little slow on the uptake.

He's a key position forward who can't mark the ball.

Something of a handicap when your job is to kick goals and you can't get your mitts on the pill.

Then I take it you think it was a good idea that we threw two young kids to the wolves as joint Captains?

Name for me the leaders we had at our club at that point, Mr Revisionist, and then name for me the long list of big bodied premiership players that were queuing to join melbourne. Then we might see who is slow on the uptake.