That is not quite true. The expansion teams had access to the best 17yo's in the country. They weren't in the pool for us to draft. I agree with your general contention though...

Agree. I guess what I'm saying is that, regardless of that, we've had the same access to what was left as have St Kilda, Brisbane, the Bulldogs, etc etc and they're all doing the rebuild thing a hell of a lot better than us...

Agree. I guess what I'm saying is that, regardless of that, we've had the same access to what was left as have St Kilda, Brisbane, the Bulldogs, etc etc and they're all doing the rebuild thing a hell of a lot better than us...

I wouldnt say that just yet

Everyone is overreacting a lot to the poor 2nd half on the weekend

Bit ranty, but for once you are absolutely spot on. I can't argue with a single word of it.

so happy I was able to appease you this time, Sir. Sorry about all the other times.

in order to improve my performance, next time I will reduce the word count so it's not so 'ranty' for you

FMD

And what has this got to do with some possible team changes for round 3?

its got to do with the bigger picture. There are no changes that can correct the fact that we are a team with a predictable habit of being useless.

Dawes OUT JKH in.

Dawes looks like a footballer, is fierce but cant play footbal.l Can't catch can't Kick

The problem still with the team is " It is no where hard or tough enough" and it shows every week with our easy capitulations.

Could be we hire weak people, we select nice guys who knows Who cares but we must be the easiest team to play against.

To beat Melbourne all you have to do is put sustained pressure on for 10 minutes and the team folds like a deck. Dont know what you do about it but that's the reality.

Maybe the players believe that they are just paid to make up the numbers and it is only the supporters who think the game is real

No change. Tempted to drop Howe for his utterly disinterested display but maybe There is something I don't know here. Also thought frost was poor but our lack of 2nd ruck options are slim.

Frawley says hi Jeremy??

The media are actually reporting that he is a chance to play, medical team to make the call on Friday.

Knowing our luck Smith will play.

Well, maybe, if he is rushed back after a genuine concussion it could actually be in our favor

I just hope brayshaw starts, give the kid 3 quarters he's already winning his own ball and making an impact

I just hope brayshaw starts, give the kid 3 quarters he's already winning his own ball and making an impact

I want to see Brayshaw play a whole game, but the only question for me is: how is his tank? I think he's shown in the last two games that he's already good enough to play a whole game and contribute, I wonder if the FD take the view that he doesn't have enough miles in the legs yet.

I want to see Brayshaw play a whole game, but the only question for me is: how is his tank? I think he's shown in the last two games that he's already good enough to play a whole game and contribute, I wonder if the FD take the view that he doesn't have enough miles in the legs yet.

I suspect the FD is wary of burning the kids out

I want to see Brayshaw play a whole game, but the only question for me is: how is his tank? I think he's shown in the last two games that he's already good enough to play a whole game and contribute, I wonder if the FD take the view that he doesn't have enough miles in the legs yet.

Agree totally with you Nash

Could have the year wrong but think it was 2011, Meth Coast played Andrew Gaff as the sub for the first 6/7 rounds, whilst also putting plenty of miles into his legs for conditioning. They sent him back to the WAFL for a full run before bringing him back and rotating him from starting 21 to sub.

Have to say they seemed to do the right thing by him as he was up to speed with the game pretty quick. The big clubs do things well in all facets of the game and whilst Gaff and Brayshaw are different type of players I will trust Roos and the FD to be getting this right and looking at the big picture

I drove up to Canberra for the game with a crew of demon mates, optimistic of a good showing but mindful of my fathers words. "Never back a horse second up after a spell." And how right he was. Devastated by the lack of effort. Confused that professional footballers could not take clean possession. Confounded that leadership can disappear within 1 short week. Feelings of deja vu. Fortunately the beer was cold at the ground, the red wine flowed that night and was complimented by the cleansing of Olympic proportioned venting. I am not concerned about who is in or out I just want effort applied to the task at hand. So re-attach the heart strings and take it up to the crows. Go Dees.

Mind you, on this logic both teams should have lost...

People jumping into dawes.. Give him a break. Blokes worked his ass off this pre season. One bad game doesnt mean your a bad player!

I think Grimes in will be the only change and hopefully Brayshaw plays te whole game

Well, maybe, if he is rushed back after a genuine concussion it could actually be in our favor

certainly worked for us with ABlett

People jumping into dawes.. Give him a break. Blokes worked his ass off this pre season. One bad game doesnt mean your a bad player!

He's strung a bunch of bad ones together though, that's the problem

gee C&B avatar nevers gets old.

confident we will bounce back against Adelaide and give them a good run.

Can't have Dawes and Hogan within 50m of each other.

gee C&B avatar nevers gets old.

confident we will bounce back against Adelaide and give them a good run.

Can't have Dawes and Hogan within 50m of each other.

People jumping into dawes.. Give him a break. Blokes worked his ass off this pre season. One bad game doesnt mean your a bad player!

I think Grimes in will be the only change and hopefully Brayshaw plays te whole game

Its the abundance of bad games he has had not just the 1.

In retrospect it result should not have been a surprise.

GWS are stocked up with talent in exactly the area of the field where we have least, the midfield.

Unfortunately it's also the area where we are weakest, not just in terms of player talent, but in cohesion and games played together. Roo's mentioned it on 360, that the players themselves (many new to the club) aren't sure who their best and most experienced players in the middle are, who could stand up to GWS's midfield surge...

Newton, Garlett, Lamumba, Brayshaw and VandenBerg were playing their SECOND competitive game together and with the other MFC midfielders.

Up against a GWS midfield group that have literally lived together for the past 2 or 3 years and would be close to 50 games together.

As always we want instant success (and we deserve it), but it aint going to arrive overnight, these boys need time to gel and learn to play as a midfield group under intense and constant pressure, they don't call it the "boiler room" for nothing.

In retrospect, Gold Coast are stocked up with talent in exactly the area of the field where we have least, the midfield, so...

GWS has lacked exactly what Melbourne lacked through 2010-2013: leadership. Griffin and Shaw add a lot but they don't set the world on fire, nor are they stand-out leaders. Somehow GWS suddenly look the goods but Melbourne's excuse was that we threw the young kids to the wolves.

I can't hide the fact that Melbourne has a stigma attached to it. When a young 18-year-old puts on the jumper after going through his adolescence having watched how bad a club Melbourne is, it surely must play on such a young, inexperienced mind.

The club isn't just cursed: it's toxic.

People jumping into dawes.. Give him a break. Blokes worked his ass off this pre season. One bad game doesnt mean your a bad player!

I think Grimes in will be the only change and hopefully Brayshaw plays te whole game

GEEEEEEEEEEE Grimes will make a whole lot of difference wont he?

GEEEEEEEEEEE Grimes will make a whole lot of difference wont he?

to be fair, he was great in the corresponding game last year, including a textbook spoil on Dangerfield that probably saved the match

Wouldn't mind if Brayshaw is sub again or even at Casey. I want to see him rip the Tigers apart on Friday night!!

To beat Adelaide we need to flip the pressure they are putting other teams under and put it right back on them. Turn the hunters in to the hunted.

Unfortunately the only players at Casey who like a good hunt are Riley (who's probably still underdone), McKenzie (who subtracts a lot of skill) and Spencer (ditto).

It wouldn't at all surprise me to see the last two in though. Depends if Roos thinks the 22 we had in can lift and deserve a second chance or if he thinks it's time for a change up.

People jumping into dawes.. Give him a break. Blokes worked his ass off this pre season. One bad game doesnt mean your a bad player!

I think Grimes in will be the only change and hopefully Brayshaw plays te whole game

I dont expect everyone to agree but Dawes has some straight at the ball, crashing the pack attributes of a back man. Would have liked to have seen him made to match up on the rampaging McCarthy last week for a spell. Once all was lost could have been worth a look and used as a disciplinary move as well. He is not a CHF.

I dont expect everyone to agree but Dawes has some straight at the ball, crashing the pack attributes of a back man. Would have liked to have seen him made to match up on the rampaging McCarthy last week for a spell. Once all was lost could have been worth a look and used as a disciplinary move as well. He is not a CHF.

mmmmmm........not everyone will agree as you say, but maybe worthy of consideration depending upon match ups

I dont expect everyone to agree but Dawes has some straight at the ball, crashing the pack attributes of a back man. Would have liked to have seen him made to match up on the rampaging McCarthy last week for a spell. Once all was lost could have been worth a look and used as a disciplinary move as well. He is not a CHF.

well...something needed to be tried...as in a bit left field as nothing from the box had any effect it seems after the half time break