I remember Roosy saying in relation to Howes manager on 360 that 'it depends on what the manager is telling the player ' , saying that he wasnt feeding back what the club was saying truthfully

There's nothing stopping anyone from the club scheduling a meeting with Howe & his manager to get around that. Bit of B/S by Roos if what you are saying is true. Roos has played games through the media before so he is probably just doing the same in this instance.

It was because he never plays in front and always wants to mark from behind. It's one of the reasons he's been a hopelessly inconsistent forward.

Work ethic, concentration, discipline & execution are also other negatives in his game. He is undoubtedly talented, but talent isn't all that counts.

Howe's manager has behaved like an opportunistic tool, and the MFC have refused to get jerked around by him.

Heard this from the relevant people at the MFC.

Pleased the club is finally acting with some metal in relation to unreasonable player demands. Shows how far we've come as a club.

Disappointing for Howe in some respects that he, or his agent, has inflated views as to his worth.

It's just the dying remnants of our former cultures; where players expect the club and other players to do everything for them to help them attain success.

And get paid well over their market worth in the process.

Had a gutfull and will be pleased to see the back of Howe and his manager (who well and truly screwed over all parties as far as I'm concerned).

Howe's manager has behaved like an opportunistic tool, and the MFC have refused to get jerked around by him.

Heard this from the relevant people at the MFC.

Pleased the club is finally acting with some metal in relation to unreasonable player demands. Shows how far we've come as a club.

Disappointing for Howe in some respects that he, or his agent, has inflated views as to his worth.

Might be a good idea to stop bagging player Agents, as they are needed to assist in various deals we may want to do.

Pleased the club is finally acting with some metal in relation to unreasonable player demands. Shows how far we've come as a club.

It is most certainly a beautiful thing

Howe's manager has behaved like an opportunistic tool, and the MFC have refused to get jerked around by him.

Heard this from the relevant people at the MFC.

Pleased the club is finally acting with some metal in relation to unreasonable player demands. Shows how far we've come as a club.

Disappointing for Howe in some respects that he, or his agent, has inflated views as to his worth.

For starters, nobody on here knows what his demands are, and they are only unreasonable if no other club is willing to pay it. That's how the market works.

As for how far the club has come, that's to be determined. Four year deal to Melksham and three years for Garland are excessive given their respective output in the past 2 seasons.

Unlike Watts, who is more value to us than to other teams, Howe is the opposite.

They see the high marking and neat skills and goals here and there and we can see through the mirage that is the rest of his game.

If we get someone who is best 18 from a Howe trade I am all for it because he would struggle to play next year IMO.

If the floated Prestia deal is not on, I'd certainly entertain a Howe-for-Anderson deal.

I'd like the Hawks to add a bit to that though.

I cannot see Howe at Hawthorn.

He wants overs and they won't pay overs. They also already have a quality forward-line.

geez, I can. I reckon Howe's skillsets are something Clarko would be licking his lips over. Clarko would no doubt believe he could have a crack at getting Jeremy's head right within they're structure.

And Howe could be a great replacement for the aging Lewis

Im happy for Howe just to go. The return will be whatever it is.

Now this is not because of any befuddled hate or contempt for the bloke . It's simply based upon the notion that the club is building a team that plays as a team. Its undoing the shambles of a collective of 'talented' players that in all reality play with no cohesion. Howe is just such a player.He plays a bit of a solo agenda. Hes not alone...or wasn't.

For mine i can't see a place for him in an effective team. Good luck and thanks to whoever takes him.

geez, I can. I reckon Howe's skillsets are something Clarko would be licking his lips over. Clarko would no doubt believe he could have a crack at getting Jeremy's head right within they're structure.

And Howe could be a great replacement for the aging Lewis

Howe doest have the desire of Lewis nor the footy smarts

I am so happy we are finally clearing all of these under performing dillatants good riddance!!

Howe doest have the desire of Lewis nor the footy smarts

I am so happy we are finally clearing all of these under performing dillatants good riddance!!

not at present,,, but howe is one of the damaged players.

There is a good chance that can be rectified at a club like Hawthorn. He is competative, but lacks enough enthusiasm with us, because of how he started in our culture.

We've had this problem for nigh on 20 years +.

this ^

How can one be competitive if NOT enthusiastic.

In reality Howe is neither.

Agree.

so...if nothing good to say...say....?

How can one be competitive if NOT enthusiastic.

In reality Howe is neither.

he a willing competitor but is lazy at our club.. 'our nickname should include lazy in its description'.

in other words he doesn't exert anywhere near his potential can.

In a powerful club loaded with great culture & motivation, enthusiasm to push way beyond, is infectious... its like restrictions are lifted off...

..... ours has been like sheep following one another. when lazy & soft leaders set a tone, then no one really dares to venture far from that.

Edited October 10, 201510 yr by dee-luded

Then hes not a competitor .Hes a cameo player

Then hes not a competitor .Hes a cameo player

no, not a competitor is like watts last year.

Howey is a competitor, meaning he has it in him. But within our environment, he's never had to push himself beyond his comfort zones (lazy elite players) which would be higher that yours & mine. His ceiling is way higher than what his current output is.

Watts as well but he is yet to learn to battle physically as much as Howe's level.

........ we've had a conga line of players who have come thru our ranks since late 90's like this... no wonder why Moloney was so frustrated being of the old guard, so he tripped himself up by trying to push others... the whole thing was a schemozzle

Can't you see, how its all folded in on itself, because of a lack of REAL leaders, both OFF & ON field, within this club, over 20+ years.

Edited October 10, 201510 yr by dee-luded

Well, after reading the drivel from Ben Niall about how Jeremy has apparently been constrained by the MFC and its coaches from becoming 'elite', I would hope that Ben is telling the Suns that a straight swap for Prestia is overs and the Dee's should be better compensated.

Deeluded. Youve nearly arrived at mp point.

What one has in them as opposed to what one does.

Howe is not competitive. Hes lazy.likes doing what he likes but cant run two ways and is woeful at decisions.

Takes a nice mark

Takes a nice mark

Then turns it over.

Then turns it over.

So infuriating!