The only question is whether we're trying to get a player or a pick in return, and if the latter then what will we demand? Inside the top 10?

Don't think we'd seriously expect a pick inside the 10. Howe's worth a late 1st to early 2nd rd pick. Think the article in the Hun mentioned that GC have an activated end of 1st rd compo pick this year, which would seem to be around the mark.

If that were the deal, I could see us on trading that pick, possibly as part of a Tom Lynch deal.

Well the club should be doing something about that.

prescribing the money but deducting amounts from the payment for non performance, someone suggested players paying members fees, who knows creative stuff that may make the players wake up that they too can be creative and maybe that this is serious maybe that they must GAF.

Do you want all of our players to leave?

Imagine if someone said that to you at your work? You'd be out the door like a shot..

should have rested howe this week and make sure he is up for the giants game, maybe the team can chip in and give him some cheap possessions so it makes his stats look a lot better!

Plowman and Tomlinson being given a run this week.

Fattening them up for market?

Rumours flying around that we're into Lachie Plowman, Howe for Plowman?

Howe for Lynch at Adelaide?

Howe and a pick for Bennell?

I reckon Howe is worth about pick 20-25

Howe & pick 6 for Plowman & Tomlinson.

I'd do it in a heartbeat.

should have rested howe this week and make sure he is up for the giants game, maybe the team can chip in and give him some cheap possessions so it makes his stats look a lot better!

If u want 2 have father son option why drop him on 98. He will now play his 99th game there's no way they will drop him for last game. It would be so short sighted.

Howe & pick 6 for Plowman & Tomlinson.

I'd do it in a heartbeat.

Plowman didn't play a game this year.

Howe & pick 6 for Plowman & Tomlinson.

I'd do it in a heartbeat.

That's overs for those two. Howe could be a straight swap for Tomlinson, so you're essentially swapping pick 6 for a guy who has hardly got on the park.

I don't think it is.

Each to their own, but draft picks can easily be overvalued and players undervalued.

Howe & pick 6 for Plowman & Tomlinson.

I'd do it in a heartbeat.

I'd do Howe & our 2nd round pick for Tomlinson & Plowman, but no way our first round pick.

I think we are looking at recruiting Plowman as half back who can roll into a midfielder liked David Mundy.

This is a big reason why Todd Viney is a big fan of him.

He is a keen Melbourne supporter too.... i know.. doesn't mean anything.

Howe is massively overated!!\ Plus!!!

Takes a grab not much else.

Meh

Offer him 350 ish and if he walks .... So be it!

Howe & pick 6 for Plowman & Tomlinson.

I'd do it in a heartbeat.

That's ridiculous. You're basing their talent levels on where they were drafted, not their deeds at AFL level.

Personally, I don't want either of them. I wan't a legitimate classy mid or a key forward.

What do we trade for Prestia then?

Howe & pick 6 for Plowman & Tomlinson.

I'd do it in a heartbeat.

Off your meds!!!!

Howe has more value to teams like GCS or GWS because he is marketable, he is a unique player and so because of that factor he is worth a bit more than what his playing ability alone probably is, I wouldn't be surprised to see Brisbane lions join in the chase in a big way.

We'd want his preferred destination to be a northern state where he has more value, and I pick him as being the sort of bogan who likes the sounds of QLD.

I think some are overrating the value of pick 6, in this draft especially.

I'm particularly unenthused about the options this year.

We'd want his preferred destination to be a northern state where he has more value, and I pick him as being the sort of bogan who likes the sounds of QLD.

I think some are overrating the value of pick 6, in this draft especially.

I'm particularly unenthused about the options this year.

Reiterated by Hardwick.....shallow draft.

We'd want his preferred destination to be a northern state where he has more value, and I pick him as being the sort of bogan who likes the sounds of QLD.

I think some are overrating the value of pick 6, in this draft especially.

I'm particularly unenthused about the options this year.

A good year for Carlton to stock up on draft picks or as some media report a treasure trove of draft picks.

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Mach5, on 28 Aug 2015 - 07:07 AM, said:

We'd want his preferred destination to be a northern state where he has more value, and I pick him as being the sort of bogan who likes the sounds of QLD.

I think some are overrating the value of pick 6, in this draft especially.

I'm particularly unenthused about the options this year.

So now he is a bogan???

Good Lord Some people speak drivel

I have put his stats up before.....I would hate to lose him.

So now he is a bogan???

Good Lord Some people speak drivel

I have put his stats up before.....I would hate to lose him.

Seriously, is there any doubt?

He's like a dictionary definition.

I don't think that's offensive either, he just perfectly fits the type.

Yes agreed. So let's do a break down of a typical list. Salary estimates based on 2015 AFLPA CBA. Google it for details.

Cap $9.9 million

4 rookies: total $220K

4 1st year draftees: total $260K

4 2nd year draftees: total $280K

4 on minimum base payments: total $324K

Total for 16 players: $1.1 million

Match payments listed as $3500 per game min for min salary players. 2nd year draftees can earn up to $5100 per game. For others it is negotiable. Let's assume $5000 average, which is probably under estimating.

Yearly match payments: $2.5 million

Total so far: $3.6 million

Near and fairest bonuses? Let's assume 300K for ease.

So the remaining 24 players have $6 million between them.

The average salary of the remaining player is then $250K.

Let's assume the top 5 get $700K.

Then the average remaining salary is $131K.

Even if we change it to 4 rookies, 8 draftees and 10 minimum salary instead. Inc match payments and b&f: $4.4 million for 22 players leaving $300k for each of the remaining 18.

Or $155K each of the top 5 get $700K each.

So tell me again why Howe should earn $550,000 or more?

Most of the senior contract players don't get match payments, they are paid a salary of x weather they play or not. Fairly sure the bonuses also come under a different banner as the cap has two levels, one for the salaries and a slightly higher total for the 'extras'.

We'd want his preferred destination to be a northern state where he has more value, and I pick him as being the sort of bogan who likes the sounds of QLD.

I think some are overrating the value of pick 6, in this draft especially.

I'm particularly unenthused about the options this year.

Im not overrating pick 6. I think if we go to the draft with it we will come away with more quality.

Adding to that there's roughly 5 quality KPP players this year that will most likely go top 15 with the possibility of two of them going within the first couple of picks. Leaving us with a quality midfielder. Our last two drafts have good.

Aren't we on track for pick 5?

Edited August 28, 201510 yr by Al's Demons