FAREWELL JEREMY HOWE

[Dee1987 277]

What's the G.O. With the melksham and Bugg deals??

[Guest]

Stevo just reported that MFC said it would take Collingwood a lot more than a straight swap for Kennedy to get Howe.

Lets see if Buckley is going to turn his bravo/kudos tweet about respectful trading between 2 clubs into behaviour.

[rjay 24,928]

Anything less than Kennedy + pick 27 and i'll be filthy. Time for us to play hardball

This would still be a poor deal for us...and that's not hardball.

If we want to really improve our list it's pick 3 and nothing less, this gives us the currency to go to the draft or pull off a good trade.

[SaberFang 7,151]

If friggin' Redden is worth pick 17 and Henderson worth a first rounder then Howe is comfortably worth a first rounder.

[Willmoy1947 4,088]

Does anyone know "The Rule on Restricted Free Agency" pertaining to this situation?

[Moneider96 1,045]

Ch 7 reported after speaking to Melbourne IF he chooses Collingwood it will take alot more than a straight swap for Kennedy. It inferred we have a deal agreed in principle with Suns if he chooses there.

Ah, I'm so relieved to hear this.

[Dee-licious 1,949]

We need to look at Howe and Collingwood and Seedsman to GC as one trade. I'm sure you can all work out a way we get Kennedy and pick 3 in that scenario =)

Tis not over yet.

[rjay 24,928]

Does anyone know "The Rule on Restricted Free Agency" pertaining to this situation?

He's not a RFA so it doesn't pertain to this situation.

[SaberFang 7,151]

We need to look at Howe and Collingwood and Seedsman to GC as one trade. I'm sure you can all work out a way we get Kennedy and pick 3 in that scenario =)

Tis not over yet.

I just don't see GC agreeing to it without a sweetener, like an extra 2nd or third rounder. Seedsman ain't worth the downgrade from 3 to 6.

Would we go from 3 to 6 to get Kennedy? Doubt it.

Of course depending on the player Gold Coast want at 3, if they think they can him at 6 then they essentially get Seeds for free.

Edited October 14, 2015 by Lamashtu

[DeeSpencer 25,708]

If friggin' Redden is worth pick 17 and Henderson worth a first rounder then Howe is comfortably worth a first rounder.

Um no. Redden is a solid as a rock as a defensive inside mid. Henderson has a long career ahead of him as a CHB once settled in position.

Howe's leaving because teams hope they can fix his issues and make him in to a good half forward flank. His talent is worth a fair bit, but so many insipid performances at either end of the ground detract from it.

20-25 is probably fair. Any other deal we do is about getting that kind of value.

[jackaub 1,402]

Howe for Kennedy ???

This club is as weak as [censored]

[Wiseblood 24,637]

Howe for Kennedy ???

This club is as weak as [censored]

No, your comprehension skills are what sucks.

The club has already said the Pies will need to offer a lot more than Kennedy to get the deal done.

If you could read or pay attention you would know that.

[Guest]

^{Jamie Elliott is a fair swap, 72 games 100 goals vs 100 games and 80 goals with one year in defence and of course "elite" running and standards. I think I would rather force howe to Carlton then get screwed by either Collingwood or Essendon (Melksham). Or worse, listen to Bruce gush over the Elliott Howe magnificence on Friday night football - not bitter about pies perpetual easy draws}

[jackaub 1,402]

No, your comprehension skills are what sucks.

The club has already said the Pies will need to offer a lot more than Kennedy to get the deal done.

If you could read or pay attention you would know that.

So please enlighten me you seem to know all!

[Wiseblood 24,637]

So please enlighten me you seem to know all!

If you go up the page a bit you'll see that we have already said the Pies will need to do more than offer Kennedy to get a deal done.

Seriously mate, have a look and a good think before you post.

[jackaub 1,402]

So you will not be surprised when its just a straight swap and MFC cave in right?

[DSP 1,488]

So please enlighten me you seem to know all!

He kinda already did. Club wont do a straight swap for Kennedy.

[MadAsHell 4,212]

We get Collingwood to come up with something to send to the Suns in Howe's place.

Simple!

[jackaub 1,402]

ahhhhh so we will see will we?

[dazzledavey36 54,938]

ahhhhh so we will see will we?

No..

You were just wrong and Wiseblood made you look like a peanut.

[Mondê 525]

Something like

GC gain: Seedsman, Pick 6 (From Melb) Pick 25 (From Melb)
Coll gain: Howe, Pick 22 (From GC)
Melb gain: Kennedy, Pick 3 (From GC), Pick 44 (From Coll)

Seems pretty fair all round

[DeeSpencer 25,708]

Melbourne:

Pick 6 = 1751

Howe (pick 20) = 912

pick 25 = 756

pick 44 = 362

Collingwood

Kennedy (pick 35) = 522

Seedsman (pick 40) = 429

pick 26 = 729

pick 45 = 347

Gold Coast

pick 3 = 2234

pick 35 = 522

pick 41 = 412

Howe + pick 44 = 912 + 362 = 1274

Kennedy + 26 = 522 + 729 = 1251

6 + 26 = 1751+729 = 2480

3 + 41 = 2234+412 = 2646

My player values are just a rough guide. But adding up the points I think we can trade Howe, pick 6 and 44 and come back with Kennedy, pick 3 and 41. Though we might need to convince Gold Coast to deal before they worry about Seedsman that might be difficult. It all depends on how keen they are on picking up an upgrade in the 2nd round. Given they will likely get pick 10 to go with 16 and 19 I'm not sure they'll be all that keen.

But it also highlights why it takes so long to get deals done. So many clubs are waiting on one deal to fall before they can work on the next one. I imagine that if Gold Coast do end up with picks 10, 16 and 19 that St Kilda will come calling with pick 5.

[olisik 4,060]

Melbourne:

Pick 6 = 1751

Howe (pick 20) = 912

pick 25 = 756

pick 44 = 362

Collingwood

Kennedy (pick 35) = 522

Seedsman (pick 40) = 429

pick 26 = 729

pick 45 = 347

Gold Coast

pick 3 = 2234

pick 35 = 522

pick 41 = 412

Howe + pick 44 = 912 + 362 = 1274

Kennedy + 26 = 522 + 729 = 1251

6 + 26 = 1751+729 = 2480

3 + 41 = 2234+412 = 2646

My player values are just a rough guide. But adding up the points I think we can trade Howe, pick 6 and 44 and come back with Kennedy, pick 3 and 41. Though we might need to convince Gold Coast to deal before they worry about Seedsman that might be difficult. It all depends on how keen they are on picking up an upgrade in the 2nd round. Given they will likely get pick 10 to go with 16 and 19 I'm not sure they'll be all that keen.

But it also highlights why it takes so long to get deals done. So many clubs are waiting on one deal to fall before they can work on the next one. I imagine that if Gold Coast do end up with picks 10, 16 and 19 that St Kilda will come calling with pick 5.

Someoneeee loveeees the calculator

[SaberFang 7,151]

Seedsman and pick ~25 to drop 3 spaces in the first round? GC could then package their second rounders for a first rounder. Not a bad deal overall.

It all depends on how much we want Parish though; it'll likely cost us Howe, pick 6 and pick 25 for a return of pick 3, Kennedy and Bugg/Melksham/Rosa.

Edited October 14, 2015 by Lamashtu

[jackaub 1,402]

No..

You were just wrong and Wiseblood made you look like a peanut.

How can I be wrong when the deal hasnt been done yet ?