Has been reported in the age today but I was able to view something. I will be amazed if he ever plays footy again let alone AFL. Multiple breaks around both screws.

That is not what it said in the Age in either article. It said he has reinjured his navicular, not that he has suffered multiple breaks around both screws. Maybe you got that somewhere else.

Put him on the Rookie List FCS. If another club shows interest, great. If not we can draft another player

Trenners career is in severe doubt. The club onfield must move on

Is it worrying that Richmond's medical team were the only ones who picked this up...? Would the Demons have done scans on him at some point soon if not for the trade...?

The mischievous way of looking at it would be that the Melbourne medical team/coaching panel knew that they were selling Richmond damaged goods....

it sounds like JT was improving..

we were in the midst of trade week when suddenly an extra 1st Rnd pick was required in late dealings... maybe JT was arranged hastily for a mission to Tigerland, & the result knocked us all for 6.

I hope this works out for JT, & we all come away from this grinning down the track. Jack is one of the best

So curious about what responsibility Dave Misson takes for these feet issues? M Clark x 2. Trengove x 3, Garland, Grimes, Jamar to name a few have all had issues in recent years. No coincidence surely?

In the case of Clark, absolutely none.

Clark did his foot in a marking contest when he landed awkardly and his trailing leg slammed into the ground with great force.

If you were at the 'G at the time you'd have no doubt Misson had sfa to do with it.

He never did land well (remember his near broken neck) and should have been given lessons by the boy from Dodges Ferry.

That is not what it said in the Age in either article. It said he has reinjured his navicular, not that he has suffered multiple breaks around both screws. Maybe you got that somewhere else.

Correct

Mahoney must reassure Jack about his future with the Dees because:

• The Kid deserves it! He: stood by the club in dark times, accepted co-cap, played injured, endured ordinary coaches, accepted demotion from co-cap with good grace, accepted loss of leadership role when injured with good grace and now reluctantly accepted that he would be traded. He is 22 FGS!
• If he was your son how much do you want him to endure!!!
• It will be tough enough in rehab. Let him recover physically with contract anxiety added to his woes.

Jack will know by the end of next year if he can play footy again. That is the time to talk about his future post 2015 not now.

He must stay on our list this year. We owe him.

Put him on the Rookie List FCS. If another club shows interest, great. If not we can draft another player

I think Blease, Tapscott and Strauss have not been delisted in the hope that they may be used in a trade. Trading ends, out they go, and there'll be plenty of room on the list.

Mahoney must reassure Jack about his future with the Dees because:

• The Kid deserves it! He: stood by the club in dark times, accepted co-cap, played injured, endured ordinary coaches, accepted demotion from co-cap with good grace, accepted loss of leadership role when injured with good grace and now reluctantly accepted that he would be traded. He is 22 FGS!
• If he was your son how much do you want him to endure!!!
• It will be tough enough in rehab. Let him recover physically with contract anxiety added to his woes.

Jack will know by the end of next year if he can play footy again. That is the time to talk about his future post 2015 not now.

He must stay on our list this year. We owe him.

He can do all that thinking on the Rookie List. We need fit players.

Jack must also take SOME responsibility for playing the 2013 season with a serious injury...

Sometimes you just gotta put your hand up and say"i can't do it anymore" for the long term betterment.

As of now it is 100/1 he will play again.

Mahoney must reassure Jack about his future with the Dees because:

• The Kid deserves it! He: stood by the club in dark times, accepted co-cap, played injured, endured ordinary coaches, accepted demotion from co-cap with good grace, accepted loss of leadership role when injured with good grace and now reluctantly accepted that he would be traded. He is 22 FGS!
• If he was your son how much do you want him to endure!!!
• It will be tough enough in rehab. Let him recover physically with contract anxiety added to his woes.

Jack will know by the end of next year if he can play footy again. That is the time to talk about his future post 2015 not now.

He must stay on our list this year. We owe him.

Trouble is Mahoney has already publiclly stated that Terngove will get an extension

Often what is said with good intents pans out as something different. I wish Jack well. I'm sure he'll endeavor to do just as he states and play footy again , and for the Dees. I'm sure the club means well and is serious in supporting this.

He is contracted I believe til the end of 2015. I sadly predict that some time mid 15( or before ) he'll retire. Take no joy in thinking this , just seems the way it'll be.

At some point he'll have to decide between shortish term optimism and longer term reality. He's sliding further and further behind that 8 ball and that's a shame.

Howl away !!

Mahoney must reassure Jack about his future with the Dees because:

• The Kid deserves it! He: stood by the club in dark times, accepted co-cap, played injured, endured ordinary coaches, accepted demotion from co-cap with good grace, accepted loss of leadership role when injured with good grace and now reluctantly accepted that he would be traded. He is 22 FGS!
• If he was your son how much do you want him to endure!!!
• It will be tough enough in rehab. Let him recover physically with contract anxiety added to his woes.

Jack will know by the end of next year if he can play footy again. That is the time to talk about his future post 2015 not now.

He must stay on our list this year. We owe him.

We owe him nothing.

Trouble is Mahoney has already publiclly stated that Terngove will get an extension

and if his foot shows no sign of improving or being able to stand up to the rigors of AFL Footy then he won't get one - its that easy.

Trouble is Mahoney has already publiclly stated that Terngove will get an extension

You know, I'm ok with that. If in 12 mnths Jack can play give him a contract 1/2/3 yrs whatever. If he can't play I'm sure Jack will want to get on with his life (perhaps outside football) and he won't want a contract.

If we choose our rookies wisely, if need be Jack can go onto the LTI list in 2015 and a rookie be promoted.

I feel, nothing is lost by emotionally supporting him in 2015. Then que sera sera

Genuine care for players. That is what I keep hearing about Roos and the club under him.

I know this from experience - you can tell blokes some terrible home truths if they know you come from a place of total respect and dignity.

Jamar recently discussed that Roos treats the players like men.

Culture at a footy club is driven by the senior players, but how the club treats its players defines how they drive that culture.

Trengove's situation is not a simple list management decision.

And if the club wishes to go to the Rookie Draft to find his replacement for 2015, then that is fine. The kind of talent we are talking about is unlikely to warrant risking the gains made with the playing group and their belief in the club and themselves.

Genuine care for players. That is what I keep hearing about Roos and the club under him.

I know this from experience - you can tell blokes some terrible home truths if they know you come from a place of total respect and dignity.

Jamar recently discussed that Roos treats the players like men.

Culture at a footy club is driven by the senior players, but how the club treats its players defines how they drive that culture.

Trengove's situation is not a simple list management decision.

And if the club wishes to go to the Rookie Draft to find his replacement for 2015, then that is fine. The kind of talent we are talking about is unlikely to warrant risking the gains made with the playing group and their belief in the club and themselves.

culture of a footy team, is driven by its leaders onfield & off.

the cultre of the club takes eons to change & is defined by many things including the culture of the onfield/off field Team. the leading players, & coaches/administrators

our club needs a harder tougher culture to grow, from this Roos era.

Lovely little piece from The Punt Road End:

Doc: Trengove is stuffed
Roos: What team would be dumb enough trade for him now?
Doc: Maybe Richmond
Roos: No way. Not even they would be that stupid
Doc: they traded their second round pick for Hampton last year
Roos: quick get them on the phone!

We owe him nothing.

Jesus Christ

We must stand by jack he can play football and loves the MFC. He is no Mitch Clarke and we have to pay someone on our list and on my last count there is maybe 5 who earn there pay checks. Good luck jack

AFL is a business and sometimes a cruel / brutal one at that. A rookie spot at best for 2016 if his foot can heal correctly.

All businesses are just groups of people coming together with a common purpose.

Trenners deserves a chance to try and get back to footy if that is what he wants and if medical opinion is that is a viable option.

He has shown outstanding character for his age through turbulent times a our club on and off the field.

He is contracted for next year and I would accept the club extending his contract to 2016. If he is on $500,000 (The Ox's guesstimate on SEN this arvo) in 2015 the 2016 extension would obviously have to be significantly less.

For those who think that we need to move Trengove to the rookie list and then delist at the end of 2015 to show we have the culture required to win a flag how did the Hawks go back to back when they kept Max Bailey on the list as he played a total of 6 games in his first 5 seasons because he did his knee 3 times?

You might have thought that given he had been experiencing pain in the foot our club would have done a full range of scans, this is embarrassing for our medical team makes us look like dodgy used car salesmen or just negligent

And of course you know that scans weren't done, and you know that scans always show up these things right from the start??

Of course if he had been put out to rest for half a season or more there would be many here labelling him as a wimp, and our medical / physio team as overcautious.

Are you perhaps abroad somewhere as some eminent Professor of Orthopaedics?

And of course you know that scans weren't done, and you know that scans always show up these things right from the start??

Of course if he had been put out to rest for half a season or more there would be many here labelling him as a wimp, and our medical / physio team as overcautious.

Are you perhaps abroad somewhere as some eminent Professor of Orthopaedics?

It is just a bad look mate

Soreness in the foot - surprised they didn't do all the scans available to make sure they are on top of it. Richmond found it by doing a different scan that we didn't, if the proposed trade didn't happen would he still be running on this foot and making it worse - it would appear so

Not sure anyone would label him a wimp if they said a scan how showed up an issue you fool

It is just a bad look mate

Soreness in the foot - surprised they didn't do all the scans available to make sure they are on top of it. Richmond found it by doing a different scan that we didn't, if the proposed trade didn't happen would he still be running on this foot and making it worse - it would appear so

Not sure anyone would label him a wimp if they said a scan how showed up an issue you fool

Trengove had stopped running 2 weeks before the Richmond medical after soreness resulted in an MRI scan. The Richmond medical included a CT scan which more explicitly showed the damage to the navicular.

Is it correct that Hird did his nav twice?

We owe him nothing.

Mods - please ban this guy.

He adds nothing.