Bloke I played with today (golf) said less to do with depression and more to do with "I don't want to be here!" take that as you will.

Seems about right.

yepp i wont repeat the rumour I heard but your drift is near mine

anyway Clark is done and dusted - get us a good young player that can get on the park and lets just close this chapter I say

Seems about right.

It frustrates me no end(golf also!). We have a new admin, new coach staff, new direction...why the f...n... hell don't players want to be here??? Footy, golf...I may take up tiddly winks

I heard PJ on SEN today and unless I am very mistaken he all but said Clark wants to go to the Pies.

Get the best deal PJ.

I heard PJ on SEN today and unless I am very mistaken he all but said Clark wants to go to the Pies.

Get the best deal PJ.

I wonder if its a current interview as that has been the view for weeks. PJ should be more up with it if that is the case

I heard PJ on SEN today and unless I am very mistaken he all but said Clark wants to go to the Pies.

Get the best deal PJ.

Should the CEO be talking about football matters?

I think we've made it clear that we don't want him.

Jurrah was the last guy that decided he didn't want to be selected.

These guys go into the pantheon of screwiest MFC headcase full forwards.

It's a big list too.

I'll say again. Pathetic. Absolutely pathetic behavior.

It frustrates me no end(golf also!). We have a new admin, new coach staff, new direction...why the f...n... hell don't players want to be here??? Footy, golf...I may take up tiddly winks

From a supporter point of view (ie biased), of course we get frustrated by players not willing to show loyalty. But we can't forget the on-field rabble we still are. I am hopeful we'll take further steps next year (7 to 8 wins hopefully), but losing gets tiring and wears one down. Just ask our supporter base, which has been whittled down over the years. When our on-field team shows signs of life, we might be able to attract suitable FA's and marquee players, but for the moment our entire cred is founded on the off-field team of PJ/Roos/Viney and arguably Mahoney. It's this source that I hope provides a surprise or two this trade week.

Keep in mind we get niggly occasionally when players seek more and go off leaving us....

and then we attempt to lure other team's players with .......more money ( sometimes )

horses......courses....just saying

Bloke I played with today (golf) said less to do with depression and more to do with "I don't want to be here!" take that as you will.

Given Clark's form in the integrity department I'm not even 100% convinced he had depression.

Keep in mind we get niggly occasionally when players seek more and go off leaving us....

and then we attempt to lure other team's players with .......more money ( sometimes )

horses......courses....just saying

Exactly. Look at the bile directed at Scully, Clark, McLean, Frawley etc when we want (or have done) the same with Dangerfield, Clark (again), Walker, Shiel etc etc

You can't have it both ways. It's the way the world works.

Exactly. Look at the bile directed at Scully, Clark, McLean, Frawley etc when we want (or have done) the same with Dangerfield, Clark (again), Walker, Shiel etc etc

You can't have it both ways. It's the way the world works.

Ive been as bad as any with being niggled. Its not the want for greener fields its the nature of getting there that irks

I hope he enjoys the boos on QB. He'll have certainly earned them.

Should the CEO be talking about football matters?

He didn't...Chinese Whispers 'Jack'.

I hope he enjoys the boos on QB. He'll have certainly earned them.

He'd have to get on the park first !!!

I heard PJ on SEN today and unless I am very mistaken he all but said Clark wants to go to the Pies.

Get the best deal PJ.

I don't think he said Pies, but he clearly intimated he was gone.

Did I hear someone say Brock McLean left the club because of its poor culture? Is that the bloke who was arrested twice on drink related charges while overseas, who did wheelies on the Trinity car park damaging its asphalt cover, who attended funerals of gangland killers and who jumped ship to a club that tanked three years in a row and told three incredulous interviewers on a football panel show what the blind miner couldn't see? Had nothing to do with the fact that Carlton offered him lots more money and were prepared to give away a first round draft pick to make it happen, did it?

Top post Jack !

Should the CEO be talking about football matters?

I would probably agree here if it was a standard deal we had with Mitch, but this was probably our biggest money ball in the Club's history.

He deserves to be pot shotted at every opp if the rumours and chatter are close to the thruth. In many ways the club should look at any opportunity for compensation both from the AFL and also the player's management group as well for spinning the "i'm depressed i need to retire for now" BS.

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The most fitting thing for this man would be to end up in North Melbourne.

There is a lost dogs home there behind /west the 150 year old grandstand they burned down to make the new facility,

And the Lort Smith is not far away.

So now does anybody believe that MC was clinically depressed?

What of all the sympathy and care shown towards MC by the club and many on here. Rightfully so.

All the newspaper articles speaking about the "Black Dog"

What happened?? Was it all BS? Was it just cover for MC wanting out?

it appears the club may have been duped.

So now does anybody believe that MC was clinically depressed?

What of all the sympathy and care shown towards MC by the club and many on here. Rightfully so.

All the newspaper articles speaking about the "Black Dog"

What happened?? Was it all BS? Was it just cover for MC wanting out?

it appears the club may have been duped.

Yes.

Depression is episodic, and at the time he may very well have met the criteria for a diagnosis of 'depression'. That and his current acts may or may not be directly related. If he was running a negative past orientation and stable attribution style (I'm injured, have been for ages, will never get better...) thinking process, then helplessness, hopelessness, social isolation and depressed mood would have all been realistic outcomes for him.

We are not in a position to judge that.

We are in a position to judge his current (expected) actions, however.

If he is running a comorbid anxiety, and he believes that the MFC may act as a trigger to 'kick off' his depression again, I could understand his reluctance. However, avoidance is a poor coping strategy. Would need to address the external locus of control (it's the MFC, I have no responsibility for my response), stable (it will always be like that) and negative expectation. Suggest if a clinician has advised avoidance, he has been poorly advised.

Seems to me there is a lot more going on, and MFC may be exercising more control than we give them credit for. Let's see how it plays out.

Yes.

Depression is episodic, and at the time he may very well have met the criteria for a diagnosis of 'depression'. That and his current acts may or may not be directly related. If he was running a negative past orientation and stable attribution style (I'm injured, have been for ages, will never get better...) thinking process, then helplessness, hopelessness, social isolation and depressed mood would have all been realistic outcomes for him.

We are not in a position to judge that.

We are in a position to judge his current (expected) actions, however.

If he is running a comorbid anxiety, and he believes that the MFC may act as a trigger to 'kick off' his depression again, I could understand his reluctance. However, avoidance is a poor coping strategy. Would need to address the external locus of control (it's the MFC, I have no responsibility for my response), stable (it will always be like that) and negative expectation. Suggest if a clinician has advised avoidance, he has been poorly advised.

Seems to me there is a lot more going on, and MFC may be exercising more control than we give them credit for. Let's see how it plays out.

Unless it's bi-polar, which would explain a lot of other things as well

agree that none of us have any idea about the severity of his depression.

However depression is no excuse for his bevioural and attitudinal issues.

Depressed people can make poor decisions but mostly their moral compass remains in tact.