Post match discussion - Round 20

[P-man 13,366]

After beating us in our hometown, the Lions have suffered their biggest EVER defeat at the GABBA.

[old dee 23,872]

After beating us in our hometown, the Lions have suffered their biggest EVER defeat at the GABBA.

Just goes to show how ordinary we play most weeks P-man.

Only early but the Saints look like they are locking last place.

[beelzebub 23,383]

After beating us in our hometown, the Lions have suffered their biggest EVER defeat at the GABBA.

note..by a team that WE beat on THEIR Home turf..Funny game footy

[Sir Why You Little 37,153]

There was no internet connection in the town i am staying in for about 30 hours so i am just seeing the results now.

Another game where Whorethorn did as they pleased

How many losses is it now since the Essendrug game?

[Wiseblood 24,637]

After beating us in our hometown, the Lions have suffered their biggest EVER defeat at the GABBA.

I was about to correct you with their 150 point loss to Geelong back in 92... but that was at Carrara...

I tipped the Crows but didn't expect them to thump them so easily.

[Adam The God 30,430]

Another standard MFC 2014 performance. Very good inside, clearances and contested possessions either in our favour or close enough, and manful work all day from the stronger bodied types. However, far too slow with ball in hand, way too many errors, and passengers all afternoon.

Jetta was amazing. Simply amazing. I'm proud to have an AA-level small defender in our side, one who has done it tough (being re-rookied) and has made it work.

Very, very pleased to see Gawn bring his VFL form to the AFL. He's clearly worked on his marking and his body-work in the forward line and it paid off. He had his defenders beaten so many times yesterday. He knows where to lead, too. Kicking at goal needs work, but with another pre-season and more fitness, we may have found a quality weapon.

Cross added so much to our midfield. Tyson was great again in the clearances. N Jones was good, but he can do better. Recently I've felt he's been trying to get the dinky out the back kick/handpass too much and running himself into trouble a bit more.

Barry showed enough to suggest he can be a long-term player. Michie also played a lot better than we've seen.

At the other end of the spectrum, JKH was terrible - didn't look interested at any point in the day. Pathetic display from him. M Jones was also rubbish.

Disagree. He looked lost to me, but if he was near an opponent, he would put up a good chase. I think the way Hawthorn moved the ball yesterday was an absolute lesson for our players. I hope our FD point out how we were dissected time and again. Move the bloody ball quicker. Anyway, JKH had no influence, but the ball wasn't in our forwardline and he doesn't have the tank yet for the midfield. This means, he'll struggle to impact any game, unless we're getting inside 50s. When we do, his clean hands, good decision making and ability to keep his feet are an absolute asset.

Edited August 10, 2014 by AdamFarr

[Wiseblood 24,637]

Disagree. He looked lost to me, but if he was near an opponent he would put up a good chase. I think the way Hawthorn moved the ball yesterday was an absolute lesson for our players. I hope our FD point out how we were dissected time and again. Move the bloody ball quicker. Anyway, JKH had no influence, but the ball wasn't in our forwardline and he doesn't have the tank yet for the midfield. This means, he'll struggle to impact any game, unless we're getting inside 50s. When we do, his clean hands, good decision making and ability to keep his feet are an absolute asset.

I get what you're saying but we still had 40 I50s, so he had the opportunity to impact the game far more than what he did. 4 disposals for an entire game of footy is terrible.

[Adam The God 30,430]

I get what you're saying but we still had 40 I50s, so he had the opportunity to impact the game far more than what he did. 4 disposals for an entire game of footy is terrible.

I agree. 4 disposals is ordinary, but we barely had space in there and IMO our delivery was pretty ordinary going in there. Most of the time, he was chasing Hawthorn defenders off half back. I dunno, maybe I'm making excuses? I just don't subscribe to the opinion that he didn't want to be out there.

[chook fowler 19,569]

There was no internet connection in the town i am staying in for about 30 hours so i am just seeing the results now.

Another game where Whorethorn did as they pleased

How many losses is it now since the Essendrug game?

No internet connection - you must be in New Zealand.

[Sir Why You Little 37,153]

No internet connection - you must be in New Zealand.

Southern Philippines!!!

It is insane over here...

[Bitter but optimistic 22,249]

Southern Philippines!!!

It is insane over here...

If you get kidnapped, Biffen and I will organise a collection from Dlanders to pay your ransom.

[old dee 23,872]

If you get kidnapped, Biffen and I will organise a collection from Dlanders to pay your ransom.

I doubt ten dollars will swing it bbo

[Bitter but optimistic 22,249]

I doubt ten dollars will swing it bbo

I suppose someone had to be brutally honest OD.

Actually Biffen would have stolen the proceeds anyway and [censored] them against a wall.

[old dee 23,872]

I suppose someone had to be brutally honest OD.

Actually Biffen would have stolen the proceeds anyway and [censored] them against a wall.

It is hard to get good support Bbo

[jumbo returns 6,741]

I'd pitch in red back for WYL....someone has to post about 186

[Pates 9,660]

I must admit I didn't watch much of the game but the emphasis of this discussion being on an 18yo getting 4 possessions is misplaced. It's the whole thing that Roos was saying at the start of the year that we expect too much of our younger players every week. He's young, he's going to have a bad game, I couldn't give a stuff because I know that if Roos feels that the best learning curve is for him to go back to the VFL then so be it but given his track record it wouldn't surprise me if JKH fronts up next week vs GWS and is given a chance to make amends.

The Watts bashing is predictable, and in some instances not wrong, but the school of thought that I subscribe to is as frustrating as he is he is still the best person we have at the releasing kick from half back to half forward. His inability to tackle likely won't improve a whole lot, someone suggested he needs to get to the gym and work on his upper body, honestly I reckon we've got as much muscle we can get on him. The difference between him and say Pederson is the desire to tackle, I can't see that being altered a whole lot.

What little I saw wasn't horrific, last week was. Even that chain of handballs that gave me multiple heart attacks was at least a sign that they can on occasion take the game on. Dawes is still a problem, but at least he got more of the ball.

My B&F tip has changed with Tyson to finish runner up to Jones, and honestly I think it could be closer than some would expect given his last month. Please god let us have this one turn into a star!

Edited August 10, 2014 by Pates

[Wiseblood 24,637]

I agree. 4 disposals is ordinary, but we barely had space in there and IMO our delivery was pretty ordinary going in there. Most of the time, he was chasing Hawthorn defenders off half back. I dunno, maybe I'm making excuses? I just don't subscribe to the opinion that he didn't want to be out there.

I don't subscribe to that either but he certainly didn't outwardly make the effort yesterday to disprove that theory. Just had an off day.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,909]

I still hold out some hope for Clisby.

Barry looked better last night. Hill's not a bad opponent to learn from...I thought he really got into the tempo of the game.

Imo, Casey is doing jack for development.

I'd rather we had our own VFL team. But I don't blame Casey for any lack of development. Our players are with them for about 3 hours out of 168 per week. Any lack of development is happening at the MFC or individual player level.

[Moonshadow 17,677]

I must admit I didn't watch much of the game but the emphasis of this discussion being on an 18yo getting 4 possessions is misplaced. It's the whole thing that Roos was saying at the start of the year that we expect too much of our younger players every week. He's young, he's going to have a bad game, I couldn't give a stuff because I know that if Roos feels that the best learning curve is for him to go back to the VFL then so be it but given his track record it wouldn't surprise me if JKH fronts up next week vs GWS and is given a chance to make amends.

The Watts bashing is predictable, and in some instances not wrong, but the school of thought that I subscribe to is as frustrating as he is he is still the best person we have at the releasing kick from half back to half forward. His inability to tackle likely won't improve a whole lot, someone suggested he needs to get to the gym and work on his upper body, honestly I reckon we've got as much muscle we can get on him. The difference between him and say Pederson is the desire to tackle, I can't see that being altered a whole lot.

What little I saw wasn't horrific, last week was. Even that chain of handballs that gave me multiple heart attacks was at least a sign that they can on occasion take the game on. Dawes is still a problem, but at least he got more of the ball.

My B&F tip has changed with Tyson to finish runner up to Jones, and honestly I think it could be closer than some would expect given his last month. Please god let us have this one turn into a star!

Good summation Pates. Like it.

[chook fowler 19,569]

Think Harmes has earned a game. Good opportunity against GWS.

[SaberFang 7,151]

Harmes is a rookie isn't he?

[chook fowler 19,569]

I thought rookies could play this time of year.

[titan_uranus 25,045]

It would be nice if the players would stop trying to handball it all the way to the goal line when we enter the 50. Someone take responsibility and kick the goal.

Belies the lack of confidence Roos mentioned post-match.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

After beating us in our hometown, the Lions have suffered their biggest EVER defeat at the GABBA.

Lions are a rubbish team....that's why i was furious with last week's effort. We are still miles away from getting ourselves off the bottom and into "average" competitive territory.

Having said that, i was expecting a route yesterday of up to 120 points or more IF we didn't put our best effort on the park. 10 goals if we did. 50 wasn't a bad effort (compared to last week's only though) given how many non AFL level players are on our list atm.

Hawthorn never drop off from giving their all pretty much every week year in and out. Hopefully we will get there one season, preferably this side of 2020.

[Ted Lasso 19,549]

I can't help but feel disappointed by Dawes, I see him working his ass off with constant leads and runs to effect pressure and stuff, but a bloke of his age, getting paid good money, I really wish he would impact the score far more than he does.