I'm leaning towards no. I would be a yes if sufficient roadblocks were put in place to ensure he doesn't go off the rails and if the FD can see that he sincere in being the best player he can be. We need mids but we have a rep as soft, party boys as it is.
As Ned Flanders might say, 'This is a dilly of pickle!'

I will leave it to Roos.

But he is high maintenance with issues and apparently has been offered $650k by the Saints..

I reckon we will pass on him.

At best a great midfielder who can augment the work of Viney, Toumpas and Jones. At worst, a cancer on our club who can ruin Viney, Toumpas and Jones. My grandmother always said, an apple does not fall far from the tree so a big No from me too. Cannot take the chance.

I can just imagine him over at the Saints. All the boys standing around a blazing midget swapping stories.

Better than what Dusty's father has on his http://twicsy.com/i/QDY9Sb

Interesting genes

maybe this is why the Tiges have failed. but they gave it their best shot, & so far it hasn't hurt them...

but now they are into the finals part of their program, he has to go.... or he will hurt them, from here forward.

Pies

Tough deal to get done.

Yet Bucks is addressing his clubs culture and the rat pack.

This will be interesting.

No way he will go to the Saints.

As Redleg said, Watters advised Fisher and Arma not to travel with this bloke. He's trying to change the culture, no way he would recruit him.

This kid could be anything but it is a big no from me.

Effective, strong, skillful, grunt - check

Comes from a great mentoring system - check.

Dose of mongrel - big check.

But he has personal connections/relationships into areas of society that are putrid (similar to Jake King) and we are bringing that over into our group. After everything else MFC has done to itself over the past 7 years, please not this also.

If Dustin wants to make it in football and in life, he needs to move out of Victoria away from his family who are the biggest, main influence for him being the dysfunctional young man he is. Same reason he should not go near Sydney.

I have a connection who knows Cotchin reasonably well and he says that Cotchin will be glad to have him out of his house (for those that don't know he's been bunked up there this season). Also has a full-time minder and still gets up to all sorts of mischief.

Fraught with danger.

He is exactly what we need in everyway except culture. I would think Martin was the last player a list needs who is trying to create good culture and thus this is a big NO to me. However, if Roos thinks differently I will trust Roos.

Surely Martin fails the no [censored] policy.

ability very high.... good, & BAD

default position.... Sad.

pass !

if you want hard get Chappy to teach it.... & recruit well.

He is exactly what we need in everyway except culture. I would think Martin was the last player a list needs who is trying to create good culture and thus this is a big NO to me. However, if Roos thinks differently I will trust Roos.

Surely Martin fails the no [censored] policy.

Spot on. We are not the Swans or Geelong who could perhaps absorb and help settle a bloke like Martin. We cannot afford any more drams, particularly given we are not out of the woods with ASADA yet. We need some clear air with no late night sightings and questionable connections

A big, big no from me.

I'm gonna have to have a laugh at the tigers supporters who gave me grief over scully saying you should have picked Martin oh it's going to be sweet

Yeh, bad news, we have enough problems getting a kick.

Martin's talent is exactly, and I mean exactly, what we need. He has explosive pace but gets his own ball (i.e. he's both 'outside' and 'inside'), and he kicks goals.

Obviously the off-field stuff and his culture issues are a problem, but if Roos thinks there's something to work with, then I'm all for taking him.

I reckon Martin is worth the risk on a big money, two-year deal via the PSD. While he is a great footballer, he isn’t worth pick #2 given his off field behaviour.

Human Stain, who is on track to go off the rails ala Benny Cousins over the next couple of years.

PASS

I have stated a number of times that I don't care what players do outside of the time they are playing.

I am only interested in guys who can play well.

However even that strategy has a limit.

This guy is a rolled gold D H.

No thank you he will be a good fit at the Saints!

Edited September 16, 201311 yr by old dee

Screw it, I want him. I hate him, but he's a bloody good footballer. Resounding yes from me, we are a football club. Good football clubs require good players. Simple

Whats the disclosure rules for drugs strikes? If (big if, there's no way of knowing, but it is likely given his history) Martin has two strikes altready is he obliged to let any potential suitors know that? Reason for the question is yes it's all well and good offering him the $650K a year, but what happens if he never gets on the park due to a third strike during the off-season for example?

That's my only negative in picking him up.

Told the Tigers he wants to chase the cash:

http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-09-16/martin-to-pursue-other-offers

If we're going to get some additional midfield leadership support to make sure he doesn't do anything stupid, I'd say give him the cash and bring him in!

Chuckle: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/martin-to-stay-with-tigers-20130823-2she5.html

Will look forward to what she comes out with if he leaves.

I've gone from 50/50 to would take. I'm willing to overlook the odd d-head act for a player of his ability. The talk of him being a culture cancer seems overblown when you look at the progress of Richmond. He will mature as he ages, and his talent is undeniable.

Will look forward to what she comes out with if he leaves.

I've gone from 50/50 to would take. I'm willing to overlook the odd d-head act for a player of his ability. The talk of him being a culture cancer seems overblown when you look at the progress of Richmond. He will mature as he ages, and his talent is undeniable.

LOL

Suggest everyone we can muster gets on and 'Likes' that after all the [censored] she sprays in our general direction

If he is serious and wants to turn into a truly professional footballer, then surely he wouldn't mind signing a contract with get out clauses for the club.

I reckon Martin is worth the risk on a big money, two-year deal via the PSD. While he is a great footballer, he isn’t worth pick #2 given his off field behaviour.

Why do people think that we are able to get any player we want via the PSD? It's ridiculous!

Oh, lets get Adams, Swallow, Martin, what about we ask Ablett to come through the PSD to us? Why wouldn't he?

Martin's talent is exactly, and I mean exactly, what we need. He has explosive pace but gets his own ball (i.e. he's both 'outside' and 'inside'), and he kicks goals.

Obviously the off-field stuff and his culture issues are a problem, but if Roos thinks there's something to work with, then I'm all for taking him.

just when we're trying to fix our weak culture you want to bring in the one who can lead it the opposite direction. down a dark alley.

we want hard, rugged & tough... not bad.

His best footballing comparison would be Colin Sylvia, but with even worse off field behaviour.

A huge massive NO for me