Whos to blame if we get done for Tanking?

That is a much more complex question than you imply. For example, here is a little tale:

You own a cafe across the street from Cafe Bozo. Your cafe has identical space, facilities and passing trade etc. Makes similar profits. One day Bozo covers the footpath with tables and chairs without any council permission and steals a pile of your business. The council doesn't do anything, the rules are ill-defined, so you figure you'd better do the same. You do and the council prosecutes you two years after you installed the tables.

One of your friends says you brought it all on yourself because you were stupid enough to put a sign in your window saying 'Outdoor Eating Coming Soon' and your chairs were (arguably) a brighter colour.

Yes, so you are to blame. But would you really feel you were solely the cause of your plight?

You'd whinge to anyone who will listen and do all you legally can to ensure you are not convicted or at least reduce any penalty.

You wouldn't be too pleased with your ex-friend either.

I could not disagree anymore with you.

Alright, sure their supporters are terrible, but what a team.

I am an Irish Catholic who hates Meth Coast more than I hate Glasgow Rangers such is my contempt for their club

That is a much more complex question than you imply. For example, here is a little tale:

You own a cafe across the street from Cafe Bozo. Your cafe has identical space, facilities and passing trade etc. Makes similar profits. One day Bozo covers the footpath with tables and chairs without any council permission and steals a pile of your business. The council doesn't do anything, the rules are ill-defined, so you figure you'd better do the same. You do and the council prosecutes you two years after you installed the tables.

One of your friends says you brought it all on yourself because you were stupid enough to put a sign in your window saying 'Outdoor Eating Coming Soon' and your chairs were (arguably) a brighter colour.

Yes, so you are to blame. But would you really feel you were solely the cause of your plight?

You'd whinge to anyone who will listen and do all you legally can to ensure you are not convicted or at least reduce any penalty.

You wouldn't be too pleased with your ex-friend either.

that is an excellent analogy Sue.

Send that to our legal team

That is a much more complex question than you imply. For example, here is a little tale:

You own a cafe across the street from Cafe Bozo. Your cafe has identical space, facilities and passing trade etc. Makes similar profits. One day Bozo covers the footpath with tables and chairs without any council permission and steals a pile of your business. The council doesn't do anything, the rules are ill-defined, so you figure you'd better do the same. You do and the council prosecutes you two years after you installed the tables.

One of your friends says you brought it all on yourself because you were stupid enough to put a sign in your window saying 'Outdoor Eating Coming Soon' and your chairs were (arguably) a brighter colour.

Yes, so you are to blame. But would you really feel you were solely the cause of your plight?

You'd whinge to anyone who will listen and do all you legally can to ensure you are not convicted or at least reduce any penalty.

You wouldn't be too pleased with your ex-friend either.

Thats the dumbest post i have read on this site.

I am an Irish Catholic who hates Meth Coast more than I hate Glasgow Rangers such is my contempt for their club

Obviously not a true catholic,

Up the Gers!

Thats the dumbest post i have read on this site.

Pot, kettle etc.

Thats the dumbest post i have read on this site.

too dumb for you to say what is wrong with the analogy?

too dumb for you to say what is wrong with the analogy?

i admire your loyalty to the club, but you need to understand, its about US, not Carlton or Cafe Bozo, you need to figure that out, were on trial, lets just see how it pans out.

i admire your loyalty to the club, but you need to understand, its about US, not Carlton or Cafe Bozo, you need to figure that out, were on trial, lets just see how it pans out.

i expect a good legal team to drag in some outsiders at the appropriate times if only to highlight certain ineptitudes in AFL rules of the day.

i admire your loyalty to the club, but you need to understand, its about US, not Carlton or Cafe Bozo, you need to figure that out, were on trial, lets just see how it pans out.

I don't think loyalty comes into it. Nor do I accuse you of being disloyal.

Yes it is about US. So what? Yes, we are on trial.

Let me ask you personally - if you were the owner of the dumbest-post-cafe would you say it was not right for the case to be just about YOU given the circumstances? Would it not be partly the council's fault? Would you not whinge to your mates? Would you not fight it on the grounds of equity and bad process by the council?

If not, I admire your fortitude but fear your cafe may go bankrupt.

And yes, we can't do anything but see how it pans out. Doesn't mean we shouldn't comment on the situation.

Edit: apologies - these last few posts should be in the tanking thread.

Hatred of the filth is certainly old school (like many of us Demon fans ), juvenile, backward-looking and soaks up a lot of energy. Long may it live!

Hatred of Hawthorn and the scum is probably for a generation later, juvenile, backward-looking and soaks up a lot of energy. Long may it live!

1946, 1954, 1958, 1988, 2000, ... take your pick. Go Demons!

I don't remember 1946, and '54 was a very unexpected GF appearance coming from the cellar the previous year (? similar scenario with a young remodeled team 2013?) - cannot hold a grudge against the Doggies for that one.

On us, you would think Misson would be clean with track record with CA, Sydney and St Kilda; known for managing injuries rather than Essendon-style masses of ST problems.NC is questionable. Not for conduct at Adelaide or at Melbourne, but years earlier; there's been rumours for as long as he was coach at Adelaide regarding his conduct when he was at the AIS. That is questionable, but it's so long ago that who knows if it could ever come to light. I doubt he has done anything since though.

I guess the only "question" on Craig would be that he was once associated with the pioneering doping sport (or on a par with weightlifting) , cycling. I have however never heard anyone question him in particular. Guilt by association would be the most nebulous of links.

This has made me wonder about the fall out with our long time medical staff when the new footy dept moved in...but I suspect I'm jumping at shadows...

Thats the dumbest post i have read on this site.

Do you have yourself on 'ignore'?

The old argument of Recruiting v Development springs to mind here, I reckon our recruiting has been abysmal over the last 10 years, but I'm beginning to believe that there are some clubs that have overcome their poor recruiting by some very astute development.

It really pisses me off that we have watched the so called power clubs win premierships that may be tainted and that we have fallen off the pace because we have refused to use the "cutting edge" training techniques they have adopted; I'm glad we didn't but it really grates that the ones that did have stuck it up us for so long. I hope the cheats are all hung out to dry and I don't care who it is, anyone that has used drugs should be given the ass from the competition.

Robbie I doubt there is drug on earth that could improve some of our selections.

Today's news is no coincidence with essendons announcement. They must have been given a heads up.

Also look at west coast eagles.....they won flags with unusual size bodies

Do you have yourself on 'ignore'?

An answer to that relies on reflexive thinking, but I've suspected for a while that mjt wouldn't pass a Turing test. As Sue's attempt to explain using something as difficult as analogy shows, it's best to avoid anything complicated.

If anyone wants some light entertainment, then i'd suggest visiting the 190+ page thread on Bomberblitz, some serious denial in there

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Today's news is no coincidence with essendons announcement. They must have been given a heads up.

Also look at west coast eagles.....they won flags with unusual size bodies

The mere fact that a bunch of their players have been into illicit drugs dating back to the 90's and Benny's best off-filed mates were crooks screams that there was something dodgy going on at WC. I'm not expecting any investigation.....just more "poor Benny" from time to time.

If anyone wants some light entertainment, then i'd suggest visiting the 190+ page thread on Bomberblitz, some serious denial in there

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Lol, definately some funny stuff on there but did seem like a bit of deja vu.

As a matter of fairness, the AFL should be investigating supplement use at Essendon for a period in excess of the next 7 months. Let them play the season with a cloud hanging over them; just as the AFL has done to the MFC.

Today's news is no coincidence with essendons announcement. They must have been given a heads up.

Also look at west coast eagles.....they won flags with unusual size bodies

They were balls of muscle and endurance-scarily big and stronger than any other team .

Given their recent past ,i have no doubt they were doped up.

The old argument of Recruiting v Development springs to mind here, I reckon our recruiting has been abysmal over the last 10 years, but I'm beginning to believe that there are some clubs that have overcome their poor recruiting by some very astute development.

It really pisses me off that we have watched the so called power clubs win premierships that may be tainted and that we have fallen off the pace because we have refused to use the "cutting edge" training techniques they have adopted; I'm glad we didn't but it really grates that the ones that did have stuck it up us for so long. I hope the cheats are all hung out to dry and I don't care who it is, anyone that has used drugs should be given the ass from the competition.

I guess there will always be those questions, especially when a club has surprisingly bulked up over a short period and brushed aside all opposition.

Clearly, whatever faults and failings MFC may have had over the years, body building drugs was very clearly not systemic at the ub.

Yes, it pisses me off too, as it must do to any clubs that may have (if any) enjoyed legitimate success during the "drug era".

I once thought that Lance Armstrong was an amazing athlete to do what he did without drugs: how naïve I was.

The mere fact that a bunch of their players have been into illicit drugs dating back to the 90's and Benny's best off-filed mates were crooks screams that there was something dodgy going on at WC. I'm not expecting any investigation.....just more "poor Benny" from time to time.

They had the opportunity to do something then, they could have investigated West Coast and would have been in their rights to do so, but they concentrated too much on Benny and not enough on the rotten culture of the club he was playing for. You would have to be a complete idiot to think West Coast had no knowledge of the goings on.

If they had come down hard then they might have nipped this in the bud but in trying to protect the name of the game they have gone a long way down the path of destroying it.

I guess there will always be those questions, especially when a club has surprisingly bulked up over a short period and brushed aside all opposition.

Clearly, whatever faults and failings MFC may have had over the years, body building drugs was very clearly not systemic at the ub.

Yes, it pisses me off too, as it must do to any clubs that may have (if any) enjoyed legitimate success during the "drug era".

I once thought that Lance Armstrong was an amazing athlete to do what he did without drugs: how naïve I was.

I don't have any idols in sport or anything else for that matter but Armstrong was the one sportsman I admired the most and it really cut me up when he was found to have been on the juice.

They were balls of muscle and endurance-scarily big and stronger than any other team .

Given their recent past ,i have no doubt they were doped up.

I remember my astonishment ( but not the year) when the Weagles ran out at Waverley in an early round looking like toy Action Men !